www.biyntech.com

Hello,

I have been trying for months and months and months to submit my site to DMOZ, so far editors have visited the site THREE times over the months and have yet to approve the submission.


10/22/2003 4:35:00 PM 0 http://editors.dmoz.org/editors/editcat-unrev.cgi?cat=Computers/Companies/Software_Development/ http://www.biyntech.com/biynInterface.aspx TulipChain/6.00 (http://ostermiller.org/tulipchain/) Java/1.4.2 (http://java.sun.com/) Windows_XP/5.1 RPT-HTTPClient/0.3-3 195.208.245.254 195.208.245.254 1

10/26/2003 8:28:00 PM 0 http://editors.dmoz.org/editors/editcat-unrev.cgi?cat=Test/Misplaced/Manual/Computers/ http://www.biyntech.com/biynInterface.aspx TulipChain/5.94 (http://ostermiller.org/tulipchain/) Java/1.4.1_01 (http://apple.com/) Mac_OS_X/10.2.8 68.89.241.206 68.89.241.206 1

11/5/2003 8:43:00 AM 0
http://editors.dmoz.org/editors/editcat-unrev.cgi?cat=Computers/Internet/Web_Design_and_Development/Designers/Full_Service/B/
http://www.biyntech.com/biynInterface.aspxTulipChain/6.00 (http://ostermiller.org/tulipchain/) Java/1.4.2_01 (http://java.sun.com/) Windows_XP/5.1 RPT-HTTPClient/0.3-3 195.208.245.254 195.208.245.254 1

Please advise. I've submitted other sites as well (for clients) and none of those have been approved either. I'd like to know what is going on, and why service on DMOZ is so slow when THE WHOLE INTENT OF DMOZ was to provide fast directory service as an alternative to the extremely slow Yahoo directory.

Others will have to comment on your site placement, but

THE WHOLE INTENT OF DMOZ was to provide fast directory service

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is wrong.

Tulip Chain is a dmoz power tool. An editor will run that on a mass number of sites. Those logs you provided show your site was touched by a power tool, kinda like a bot, but not by an editor. Please don't assume things because you know what that does.

[Added] thehelper was faster, but I'll leave this... [/Added]

Editors may look at sites for many reasons other than reviewing them. Scrutinizing your logs for editor hits really won't get you any farther than not spending time looking at them.

In this particular case, your site was submitted multiple times, and caught by our spam filter some of the times. Duplicates were removed, and it was sent to the correct category. However, more duplicates were found there, and those were removed. No one actually reviewed your site, so it is still awaiting review with hundreds of others in http://dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Web_Design_and_Development/Designers/Full_Service/B (and that's just for the letter B...). That area is very popular, and very backlogged.

Your site is also waiting in http://dmoz.org/Computers/Companies/Software_Development/ with more than 1,000 others.

I doubt you will be listed in more than one of those categories, but I don't edit over there very much, so I could be wrong. And the wait in both areas is likely to be quite long. I'd suggest waiting several months before requesting a status update.

Have you considered submitting your site to: http://dmoz.org/Regional/North_America/United_States/Massachusetts/Localities/H/Hanover/Business_and_Economy/ ? I know that wait times in Massachusetts are typically much shorter than what you have been experiencing (and Hanover has very few sites waiting for review). A Regional branch listing will not affect the decision about either Computers/ branch listing or the speed of listing in that branch. The listings are independent, and you will likely end up with one in each branch.

And finally, let me echo Arthur_Rubin. Speed of review of suggested URLs is not the main reason for the ODP.

lease advise. I've submitted other sites as well (for clients) and none of those have been approved either. I'd like to know what is going on, and why service on DMOZ is so slow when THE WHOLE INTENT OF DMOZ was to provide fast directory service as an alternative to the extremely slow Yahoo directory.

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Have you asked for the status of those sites? You are welcome to do so in the fora that is dedicated to just such requests. Be sure to read the "read before posting" guidelines before requesting a status check.

You are, however, sadly mistaken about the reason DMOZ exists. Enlightenment can be found here.

Your generalization about the "speed" of site reviews is also incorrect. Certainly some areas have very large pools of unreviewed sites -- typlically those are areas where spam and submitter abuse runs high. Other areas, wait times are relatively short. We tell people that a suggested site could get reviewed in as little as two hours or as much as two years.

If you are submitting sites for yourself and for clients, there are two very important things that you can do that can favorably impact the wait times:
:arrow_right: Be certain that you are submitting to the very best category. Many, many, times sites sit in the pool of suggested URLs for a year or more, only to have the editor determine that they are in the wrong pool. They get moved to the correct pool and the wait begins anew.
:arrow_right: Take the time and effort to write guideline compliant titles and descriptions. I haven't looked at what you have submitted, but I can tell you that from my own editing experience, when I am time constrained, I'll often jump into a category and grab the "low hanging fruit." By that I mean I'll delete the obvious deletes and skim through the rest looking for titles and descriptions that suggest I won't have to do a lot of work to get them published.

Hope this helps.

A-ha, so your system deficiencies where browser timeouts (multiple platforms, multiple browsers) which prompted me to continually attempt to submit my site labels me as a spammer, despite my submitting to ONLY ONE category?

(self-censor of various explitives)

What do I need to do to straighten this out and to have the submission approved? Whom do I have to bribe? (_just_kidding_ on that comment, lest you get the wrong idea)

BTW I've read PLENTY on the formation of DMOZ and the documents which trace the foundation of the organization was that it WAS intended to be an alternative to the slow response times of other directories. To deny that now after the fact tells me that the intent of DMOZ has CHANGED, not that it was not intended to be an alternative when it was created. I understand leadership and member editors have changed, and during that time perhaps so has the intent, but to deny the original goal is to lie.

I am sorry but I did not join dmoz to help the submitters. It just happens that I process unreviewed sites which happens to service submitters. Almost 90 percent of my work in the directory is finding sites that were never submitted and build categories that interest me. I am in it to build the directory, not to service submitters. Of course what I do on this forum as far as answering submission status requests is a different story - because it is not editing I consider seperate... and I am thehelper...

A-ha, so your system deficiencies where browser timeouts (multiple platforms, multiple browsers) which prompted me to continually attempt to submit my site labels me as a spammer, despite my submitting to ONLY ONE category?

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No. Your suggestion was caught in the spam filter; that doesn't label you as a spammer. Many non-spammy sites get caught in these filters, and there are quite a few editors working a lot to move sites out of the filters and into the right categories.

I don't really understand why you feel the need to take such a confrontational stance - your site is treated exactly the same way any other site submitted to the ODP is. Any site that is submitted will have to wait for a volunteer editor to take an interest in the area of the directory it's in. The two categories you have submitted to are very backlogged, get many many submissions every day and don't attract a lot of editors.

What you have to do to get your site reviewed is simply to wait. And I'd recommend taking lachenm's advice as well and submit to the local category. A submission there will not affect your other submissions in any way but is likely to be processed rather quicker.