Submitted to Regional: North America: Travel and Tourism: Lodging: Timeshares
Still in queue? Or should I resubmit?
Txs.
Still in queue? Or should I resubmit?
Txs.
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The site is already listed in http://dmoz.org/Regional/North_America/United_States/North_Carolina/Localities/C/Charlotte/Business_and_Economy/Real_Estate/Residential .
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Aaaaaack! That is so-o-o-o-o wrong! Wrong name; wrong category; wrong everything.
I was searching the site name, of course, "Timeshare Southeast" and not finding it. S/B in regional timeshare category (above). S/B Timeshare Southeast, not Yesco Realty. And a timeshare is most definitely NOT residential real estate.
How did it get way over there? Any indication why it might have been sent to that category; other changes made?
I was searching the site name, of course, "Timeshare Southeast" and not finding it. S/B in regional timeshare category (above). S/B Timeshare Southeast, not Yesco Realty. And a timeshare is most definitely NOT residential real estate.
How did it get way over there? Any indication why it might have been sent to that category; other changes made?
According to the Real Estate Guidelines you are appropriately listed.
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Just checked your site and found the following:
1) Your company is named "Yesco Realty, LLC"
If you look at ODP directory guidelines at http://dmoz.org/guidelines/describing.html#titles you will find that we take the companies name as a title.
2) Your office is located at "Charlotte, NC 28217 USA" according to your website. Regarding the guidelines apeuro already linked in his post, it seems perfectly logical placed there.
1) Your company is named "Yesco Realty, LLC"
If you look at ODP directory guidelines at http://dmoz.org/guidelines/describing.html#titles you will find that we take the companies name as a title.
2) Your office is located at "Charlotte, NC 28217 USA" according to your website. Regarding the guidelines apeuro already linked in his post, it seems perfectly logical placed there.
Really?
1. (Guidelines) "Local real estate agents and agency web sites should be listed once in the directory. Generally, a site will be placed in the locality in which the office is located. Editors should make exceptions where it makes sense."
TSSE is not a local company and makes no sales of local residential real estate; it's a regional company engaged in the resale of timeshares across the Southeast, Colorado and Arizona - licensed brokers in NC & SC. It makes no sense to list it as a local residential real estate company.
2. (Guidelines : Subcategories) "Residential (agents and agencies who deal primarily with Residential RE)...." TSSE doesn't deal with residential real estate AT ALL, but with travel (lodging) timeshares exclusively. Also...
3. There are no timeshares for resale by this company for the city in which the listing has been placed - or anywhere else in the Piedmont for that matter - but along the coast, in the mountains and in other states entirely.
4. (Guidelines) "Many agents will attempt to list their sites multiple times, particularly in each city in which they sell Real Estate."
Only one submission for this site was made - to the category "Regional: North America: Travel and Tourism: Lodging: Timeshares", where you will find similar sites belonging to Century 21, Island Consulting Realty and other timeshare resale brokers - all companies who sell timeshares in more than one city/state.
Everyone else in the category to which this site's submission was moved sells residential homes, condos, townhomes, etc. in cities and towns local to Charlotte, NC and not lodging timeshares across the Southeastern United States and beyond.
I'm afraid I still don't understand how this category could be considered appropriate for the site and must agree to disagree -- respectfully, of course. /images/icons/smile.gif
Just trying to get a handle on this. I'm very careful when picking categories for submissions. There is an Update URL link in this category and I have availed myself of it to plead for the site's correct name and placement.
Txs all for checking up on it.
1. (Guidelines) "Local real estate agents and agency web sites should be listed once in the directory. Generally, a site will be placed in the locality in which the office is located. Editors should make exceptions where it makes sense."
TSSE is not a local company and makes no sales of local residential real estate; it's a regional company engaged in the resale of timeshares across the Southeast, Colorado and Arizona - licensed brokers in NC & SC. It makes no sense to list it as a local residential real estate company.
2. (Guidelines : Subcategories) "Residential (agents and agencies who deal primarily with Residential RE)...." TSSE doesn't deal with residential real estate AT ALL, but with travel (lodging) timeshares exclusively. Also...
3. There are no timeshares for resale by this company for the city in which the listing has been placed - or anywhere else in the Piedmont for that matter - but along the coast, in the mountains and in other states entirely.
4. (Guidelines) "Many agents will attempt to list their sites multiple times, particularly in each city in which they sell Real Estate."
Only one submission for this site was made - to the category "Regional: North America: Travel and Tourism: Lodging: Timeshares", where you will find similar sites belonging to Century 21, Island Consulting Realty and other timeshare resale brokers - all companies who sell timeshares in more than one city/state.
Everyone else in the category to which this site's submission was moved sells residential homes, condos, townhomes, etc. in cities and towns local to Charlotte, NC and not lodging timeshares across the Southeastern United States and beyond.
I'm afraid I still don't understand how this category could be considered appropriate for the site and must agree to disagree -- respectfully, of course. /images/icons/smile.gif
Just trying to get a handle on this. I'm very careful when picking categories for submissions. There is an Update URL link in this category and I have availed myself of it to plead for the site's correct name and placement.
Txs all for checking up on it.
"Do give the official name of the site as the title. Generally, the title will be obvious and prominently displayed on the site."
It's "Timeshare Southeast".
"Do give the official name of the business or entity as the title, if the site is about the business, organization, or other entity (e.g. a company's home page)."
The site is not about the business (Yesco Realty), but is engaged in listing and selling timeshares for owners who wish to resell - one of many aspects of the business. The site is owned and copyrighted by Yesco Realty.
So, I'm still confused.
It's "Timeshare Southeast".
"Do give the official name of the business or entity as the title, if the site is about the business, organization, or other entity (e.g. a company's home page)."
The site is not about the business (Yesco Realty), but is engaged in listing and selling timeshares for owners who wish to resell - one of many aspects of the business. The site is owned and copyrighted by Yesco Realty.
So, I'm still confused.
J
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I have to agree with llr on this one.
There is a contradiction in the descriptions for Real Estate categories and for Travel/Timeshare
If you look at http://dmoz.org/Regional/North_America/Travel_and_Tourism/Lodging/Timeshares/
You will see that most, if not all, the listed sites are of exactly the same sort as llr wants to list there - resellers of timeshares.
I suspect that the intention of the Timeshare category under Travel was originally intended for Timeshare Companies selling actual vacations, rather than resellers of Timeshare properties.
If that is the intention, then the description of that category needs to be tightened and most of the sites moved to Real Estate.
As it stands llr has reason to fell a little less than gruntled.
There is a contradiction in the descriptions for Real Estate categories and for Travel/Timeshare
If you look at http://dmoz.org/Regional/North_America/Travel_and_Tourism/Lodging/Timeshares/
You will see that most, if not all, the listed sites are of exactly the same sort as llr wants to list there - resellers of timeshares.
I suspect that the intention of the Timeshare category under Travel was originally intended for Timeshare Companies selling actual vacations, rather than resellers of Timeshare properties.
If that is the intention, then the description of that category needs to be tightened and most of the sites moved to Real Estate.
As it stands llr has reason to fell a little less than gruntled.
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Hi,
Just a comment on why an editor would use the true company name. Many times a company will create multiple URL's and site names so they can try to have multiple representations through a category or topic. Using the company's legal name helps to halt such a situation.
I am not saying this is your intent, but Yesco Realty could submit http://www.timesharesoutheast.com/ and once listed, submit http://www.fairfieldtimeshareresales.com/ . Since both sites are from Yesco Realty, using the "real name" makes a potential duplicate listing less likely.
I hope this makes it less confusing.
Just a comment on why an editor would use the true company name. Many times a company will create multiple URL's and site names so they can try to have multiple representations through a category or topic. Using the company's legal name helps to halt such a situation.
I am not saying this is your intent, but Yesco Realty could submit http://www.timesharesoutheast.com/ and once listed, submit http://www.fairfieldtimeshareresales.com/ . Since both sites are from Yesco Realty, using the "real name" makes a potential duplicate listing less likely.
I hope this makes it less confusing.
There are two issues here, really separate.
1) On the site name, I think there is no question that by the _relevant_ ODP guidelines, it should be the company name.
2) On the correct category, I'll defer to people who know the Regional practice much better than I. There may be something plausible to be said for either placement; and the current practice is a good -- but not always the best -- guide to the best practice.
You've made your argument cogently, but it may take some time for the editors to consider it (not only with regard to your site, but to be fair to other sites that should be reconsidered, one way or the other, on the same basis) And to be useful to surfers, we really need to be consistent.
1) On the site name, I think there is no question that by the _relevant_ ODP guidelines, it should be the company name.
2) On the correct category, I'll defer to people who know the Regional practice much better than I. There may be something plausible to be said for either placement; and the current practice is a good -- but not always the best -- guide to the best practice.
You've made your argument cogently, but it may take some time for the editors to consider it (not only with regard to your site, but to be fair to other sites that should be reconsidered, one way or the other, on the same basis) And to be useful to surfers, we really need to be consistent.
Under no circumstances should www.TimeshareSoutheast.com be placed in Regional/North_America/Travel_and_Tourism/Lodging/Timeshares/ in my opinion. Even using the argument of where the real estate company offers timeshares doesn't hold. All the locations are in the US so that category is clearly wrong. (Either that or the site doesn't properly highlight non-US locations that are in Canada/Mexico [North America].)
J
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"Under no circumstances should www.TimeshareSoutheast.com be placed in Regional/North_America/Travel_and_Tourism/Lodging/Timeshares/ in my opinion. Even using the argument of where the real estate company offers timeshares doesn't hold. All the locations are in the US so that category is clearly wrong. "
I did not suggest that llr's site should be considered for placing there, what I did suggest was that an editor looked at that category, which has 40 entries mainly real estate Time Share re-sellers(and mainly USA rather than North America).
It is perhaps an interesting example of US hegemony that editors have put 40 (mainly US)sites in "North America" and only 6 in "USA". But that tends to be true of many "North America" cats in DMOZ - happy to give you more examples in other trees, but will refrain.
It is also interesting that the category editor has his own Time Share site listed under the regional location and not here.
What I am saying, is that users look at what is already listed in DMOZ, in this case the travel & tourim topic for North America is populated mainly with re-sellers just like llr. llr is therefore confused, baffled, perplexed and bewildered when shunted of to a remote North Caroliona Real Estate category.
However I am happy to note from hutcheson's post that the issue effecting time share will be looked into with the objective of standardising the listings.
I did not suggest that llr's site should be considered for placing there, what I did suggest was that an editor looked at that category, which has 40 entries mainly real estate Time Share re-sellers(and mainly USA rather than North America).
It is perhaps an interesting example of US hegemony that editors have put 40 (mainly US)sites in "North America" and only 6 in "USA". But that tends to be true of many "North America" cats in DMOZ - happy to give you more examples in other trees, but will refrain.
It is also interesting that the category editor has his own Time Share site listed under the regional location and not here.
What I am saying, is that users look at what is already listed in DMOZ, in this case the travel & tourim topic for North America is populated mainly with re-sellers just like llr. llr is therefore confused, baffled, perplexed and bewildered when shunted of to a remote North Caroliona Real Estate category.
However I am happy to note from hutcheson's post that the issue effecting time share will be looked into with the objective of standardising the listings.