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What would you think about someone who copied your work without proper attribution? Well' date=' same feeling here. You might want to read [url"']http://dmoz.org/license.html[/url]

 

I thought that you only had to use attribution if you are going to use the data exactly as published on the DMOZ and were going to be updating your site with the DMOZ data from then on like Google.

 

Anyways, I have added the proper attribution now and even went a step further to add it to every page not just those using the dmoz data. Sorry for any hard feelings! You guys are great and do a fantastic job.

 

Thanks for the response.

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What would you think about someone who copied your work without proper attribution? Well' date=' same feeling here. You might want to read [url"']http://dmoz.org/license.html[/url]

 

Do I need to re-submit or is this still in the pending list? Sorry I forgot to ask on the last post!

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Could you let us know which statement in the license for use led you to believe that? Maybe there is something which we need to make more formal.
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Could you let us know which statement in the license for use led you to believe that? Maybe there is something which we need to make more formal.

 

I guess I didn't read the license close enough. It would be easier to understand in plain english than in it's current form.

 

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"If you use any data at all from the DMOZ whether in whole, part or modified then you are required to provide attribution (a link) to the DMOZ. You must use the code found here http://dmoz.org/become_an_editor/ or DO NOT use the data."

 

It's not that it's stated poorly it's just like all other licenses, terms of service statements and privacy policies. The majority of people just don't bother to read them because they are written in a way that a lot of people are not use to reading. :confused:

 

When you kind of just go through it quickly you don't really catch everything. So I'm guilty of following the wrong path like so many others using the DMOZ data. I do apologize, It was not my intent to not provide the required link.

 

My site is a directory also so I'm not trying to keep people at my site, just trying to direct them to where they want to go. If they choose to go to the DMOZ then fine, it's a great place with lots of useful information.

 

The only thing that I'd like to see different is an option to have an Attribution Tag that does not include Submit a Site link. The reason being that I'm not going to be updating any information from the DMOZ in the future and some may think that by adding to the DMOZ will get them listed on my site. So they may not bother to add their site to mine. Is it ok to remove this one line from the attribution? I didn't see any mention of modifying this. This isn't that big of deal but I thought I would ask.

 

Either way I've just finished adding the attribution to all my pages and I do appreciate the help pointing out the errors keeping me from being listed with the DMOZ. Hopefully now that I have provided the proper attribution my site will be considered for inclusion in the directory. :)

 

Thanks for your time,

 

Craven

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I never found out if this was still pending or had been deleted. Now that I've fixed the problems should I resubmit or is it still awaiting approval?

 

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Can anyone tell me if this is still awaiting or needs to be resubmitted? I'm just not sure what I should do for now.

 

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Craven

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Hopefully now that I have provided the proper attribution my site will be considered for inclusion in the directory.

 

I am not 'that' familiar with the license but on reading I did just happen to notice that on http://dmoz.org/become_an_editor/ that the $cat part of the HTML need to be: expanded to be the path to the category containing the data being displayed, e.g. "Arts/Movies" Presently these links do not work correctly as they do not send the category variable for 'Submit a Site' or 'Become and Editor' . Just thought I would mention it for the benefit of anyone more knowledgable who chooses to answer your original question (should it be relevant).

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Can anyone tell me if this is still awaiting or needs to be resubmitted?

 

Craven,

 

Your site suggestion of 12/Mar/2004 04:16:50 CET is waiting in the category. I wonder if I've gone blind, or how come I can't see an attribution anywhere on any of your pages? Is that something only logged-in visitors can see? (Note: I won't be the one to review the site, but chances are the reviewing editor won't be able to find the attribution either.)

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Craven,

 

Your site suggestion of 12/Mar/2004 04:16:50 CET is waiting in the category. I wonder if I've gone blind, or how come I can't see an attribution anywhere on any of your pages? Is that something only logged-in visitors can see? (Note: I won't be the one to review the site, but chances are the reviewing editor won't be able to find the attribution either.)

 

Thanks for checking on this.

 

I removed the attribution until I can figure out how to get the code to correctly fill in the $cat field. I'm sure the DMOZ doesn't want people submitting to the wrong category because of an error on my part.

 

The problem I have is that I'm creating many new categories and changing category names so it's hard to pass on the correct category ID so that the $cat field is correct.

 

Is there any other way to add attribution in cases like this? I'm not planning on using the DMOZ data on an ongoing basis. This was a one time import just to have a good starting point.

 

I'm hoping to get this sorted within the next few days and hope that my site does not get reviewed until then.

 

Thanks,

 

Craven

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I see no attribution, either. This does not look good.

 

 

Ok, I finally got it worked out so that it's at least half way efficient. If the category is the same as the DMOZ category then it will take them to the submission page. If not then it will lead directly to the add.html page. This is the best I could do since I'm editing category names.

 

I'm rebuilding my site right now so this should all be in place in a couple of hours.

 

Thanks,

 

Craven

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I have put up the required attribution on this site and sent an e-mail to to staff@dmoz.org about the problems with the attribution when categories get modified to see if I could get an official response to solve this.

 

I saw that my other site had been removed from the DMOZ after 2 years of being listed because of this enquiry, I thought this was kind of low. I had been working hard on that site for 2 plus years and made tons of enhancements.

 

I never thought that this was the kind of response I would receive from the DMOZ. My other site was the best in it's category and provided valuable and original content. It would have been nice to have said something before removing it.

 

Anyways I await the final word from the staff as to the attribution. If I get no response then I will leave it as is right now. It would be a nice thing for you guys to do by adding my other site back to it's original category. Or at least send me a private message telling me why you deleted it.

 

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Sites that violate the ODP licensing agreement are not listable. Sorry.

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Sites that violate the ODP licensing agreement are not listable. Sorry.

 

I'm working on getting the attribution set up right now on this site corrctly. I'm trying to work with you guys to get it set up correctly. I did all the categories by hand using Google as a model and added almost all links by hand. The rest of the links were added by a spider plugin from Google. Do I need to add attribution even though I did not import the data but rather entered by hand?

 

This site is new and I used the DMOZ import after I found out about being able to import! Same as a few other sites I'm working on. This was much faster then adding by hand that's why I used the import.

 

I will be adding attribution to all sites I operate that are using the DMOZ import as soon as I hear back from staff@dmoz.org. The site you deleted is not one of them though.

 

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Craven

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Hello,

 

I spent all weekend adding attribution to every site that I run that uses DMOZ data. I even added the attribution to the site that was deleted.

 

Could you please add my site that you removed back to the category that it was in now?

 

Thanks,

 

Craven

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Hi,

 

Thanks for correcting the attribution problem, it is appreciated.

 

Florida-Find is now awaiting review in Computers/In.../Data/F

 

Could you please add my site that you removed back to the category that it was in now?

 

I'm not entirely sure which site you are referring, so you can submit it to the appropriate letter category in Sites Using ODP Data.

 

Thanks.

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Please also note that, in order to continue to be listed, once you are, the attribution will need to REMAIN on the site. I'm sure you knew this already, but I just wanted to make sure.

 

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Please also note that, in order to continue to be listed, once you are, the attribution will need to REMAIN on the site. I'm sure you knew this already, but I just wanted to make sure.

 

Thanks.

 

 

I plan on leaving it there and do apologize for not doing this to begin with. Now I know and will be sure to add this before submitting any sites using DMOZ data in the future.

 

Thanks,

 

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Not in it's current form. We review sites based on what is actually on the site at the time of the review.

 

 

It will show up until the search is updated to reflect the current directory. Usually it gets updated weekly, sometimes every other.

 

Normally, as in all categories, a site needs subtantial, unique content to justify a listing in a second category. There are examples of sites using ODP data that are also listed in a second topical category, but these sites offer the directory as a minor aspect, or as a added bounus of the site and not its centerpiece.

 

In their current form, the sites you're asking about are not very good candidates for a second listing. Sorry.

 

Our directory guidelines are publicly available.

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Not in it's current form. We review sites based on what is actually on the site at the time of the review.

 

It will show up until the search is updated to reflect the current directory. Usually it gets updated weekly, sometimes every other.

 

Normally, as in all categories, a site needs subtantial, unique content to justify a listing in a second category. There are examples of sites using ODP data that are also listed in a second topical category, but these sites offer the directory as a minor aspect, or as a added bounus of the site and not its centerpiece.

 

In their current form, the sites you're asking about are not very good candidates for a second listing. Sorry.

 

Our directory guidelines are publicly available.

 

I agree with you on most of the sites that I maintain since I haven't had much time to modify them also.

 

But my Indiana site is one that I have spent a lot of time and effort on. This includes phone numbers and addresses on many of the listings and many category changes that I felt necessary. There are also a handful of reviews on the businesses listed there and many ratings of the listings. I think this should qualify as substantial and unique content especially when compared to other listings currently there.

 

http://dmoz.org/Regional/North_America/United_States/Indiana/Guides_and_Directories/

 

There are 2 dead links Indiana PROfiles http://in.profiles.iastate.edu/ and also Indiana Web Resource http://www.usawebpages.com/in/

 

and the woworks listing. http://www.wowworks.com/wowcity/in.htm which is not really a guide or directory.

 

I truly believe that Indiana Find should be considered for this category as it is has been listed for over 2 years in this category and continues to cover Indiana like no other directory or web site does. I have indexed many links that are not included in the DMOZ directory here and the only links I allow are from Indiana businesses.

 

Thank You,

 

Craven

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I was wondering if I could get a response on the last post?

 

It doesn't seem right to put Indiana Find http://www.indianafind.com under the category Sites Using DMOZ Data/I

 

If I were looking for a directory for Indiana I would look here http://dmoz.org/Regional/North_America/United_States/Indiana/Guides_and_Directories/ and would never even think to look in the sites using dmoz data.

 

It just seems like you're penalizing sites that are using the data. I could see listing sites there and also giving them a listing under their relevant category but to just bury them where no one looks for them seems useless not only for the site being listed but for those who are actually lloking for them.

 

Thanks,

 

Craven

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