Guest mark_mcnamara Posted October 24, 2002 Posted October 24, 2002 I've submitted my website http://www.kp24.com.au quite a while in the following category: Health/Conditions_and_Diseases/Skin_Disorders/Head_Lice/ Could you please tell me the status ?
beebware Posted October 24, 2002 Posted October 24, 2002 http://www.kp24.com.au/process.html has been awaiting review since 17/October/2002. It is still quite early to be asking about its status. Please allow 3 weeks (at a minimum) to elapse before checking again.
Guest mark_mcnamara Posted December 3, 2002 Posted December 3, 2002 Re: Status of kp24,myadec, easeacold, beauticianS 1. Can you re-check the status for www.kp24.com.au Also can you change the url from http://www.kp24.com.au/process.html to http://www.kp24.com.au 2. Status of "http://www.easeacold.com.au" 3. Status of "http://www.myadec.com.au" 4. Status of "http://www.beauticianssecret.com.au" Thanks Mark
beebware Posted December 3, 2002 Posted December 3, 2002 Re: Status of kp24,myadec, easeacold, beauticianS Your site is still awaiting review by an editor in that category ( http://dmoz.org/Health/Conditions_and_Diseases/Skin_Disorders/Head_Lice ) with less than a dozen other sites. I've updated the URL for you though. Please provide clickable category URL paths (like I have just done) for the other sites which you require submission status reports for.
Guest mark_mcnamara Posted December 3, 2002 Posted December 3, 2002 Re: Status of kp24,myadec, easeacold, beauticianS Thanks for the quick response, The clickable links 2. status of www.easeacold.com.au 3. status of www.myadec.com.au 4. status of www.beauticianssecret.com.au
beebware Posted December 3, 2002 Posted December 3, 2002 Re: Status of kp24,myadec, easeacold, beauticianS *sigh* Please provide clickable category URL paths. Without knowing which category you submitted to, we can't give a status.
Guest mark_mcnamara Posted December 3, 2002 Posted December 3, 2002 Re: Status of kp24,myadec, easeacold, beauticianS Oops. I'll try again. As I didn't record the catagories I'm 95% sure these are the category I entered. 2. status of www.easeacold.com.au http://dmoz.org/Health/Conditions_and_Diseases/Infectious_Diseases/Viral/Influenza/ 3. status of www.myadec.com.au http://dmoz.org/Health/Nutrition/Nutrients_in_Foods/Vitamins_and_Minerals/ or http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Health/Nutrition/Manufacturers/ 4. status of www.beauticianssecret.com.au http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Health/Beauty/Skin_Care/
beebware Posted December 3, 2002 Posted December 3, 2002 Re: Status of kp24,myadec, easeacold, beauticianS 2: www.easeacold.com.au Site is still awaiting review in that category with around half a dozen other sites. However, it is unlikely to be listed as it appears to be a "deeplink"/sub-site of http://www.pharmacare.com.au/ . 3: www.myadec.com.au Site is still awaiting review in http://dmoz.org/Health/Nutrition/Nutrients_in_Foods/Vitamins_and_Minerals/ with around 100 other sites. It is not in the unreviewed queue to the Shopping category. 4: www.beauticianssecret.com.au Site is NOT in the unreviewed queue to http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Health/Beauty/Skin_Care/ and is unlikely to be listed as an editor reviewing it's submission elsewhere in the directory noticed that it's a "deeplink"/sub-site of http://www.pharmacare.com.au/ . I advice you to read part of our guidelines.
Guest mark_mcnamara Posted December 4, 2002 Posted December 4, 2002 Re: Status of kp24,myadec, easeacold, beauticianS Thanks for that info. It is correct that the 4 sites that I am enquiring about are product lines for pharmacare. I have Read your guide lines especially "Product Listings" section. If I can clarify that pharmacare is not in ODP nor will be. As most consumer recognise its products and not the company also their product are in a range of categories. eg head lice cure, beauty skin care, vitamins, cold and flu. Each of its product domain fit your guide lines "substantial information, tips, advice, and usage information for consumers " These domains are not a single product but a full range. As in the case of one its competitors http://www.aveda.com/ which is listed and its product http://www.clinique.com/main.html Can I get www.beauticianssecret.com.au review again and ensure that the other domains waiting are given this additional information.
uzs980 Posted December 4, 2002 Posted December 4, 2002 Re: Status of kp24,myadec, easeacold, beauticianS You wrote: "pharmacare is not in ODP nor will be" - and you're wrong. Remember we can also add sites that have not been submitted. For example, http://www.pharmacare.com.au/ was added to Regional: Oceania: Australia: New South Wales: Localities: W: Warriewood: Business and Economy a week ago. The Guidelines on Product Listings apply to everyone.
uzs980 Posted December 4, 2002 Posted December 4, 2002 Re: Status of kp24,myadec, easeacold, beauticianS The relation between http://www.aveda.com/ and http://www.clinique.com/ doesn't seem so clear to me. Perhaps you can explain a bit more in which way one is the product of the other.
Guest mark_mcnamara Posted December 4, 2002 Posted December 4, 2002 Re: Status of kp24,myadec, easeacold, beauticianS A quick search for Estee Lauder gave me the following Aveda Corporation - Manufacturers and distributors of cosmetic ..blah... Subsidiary of Estee Lauder , -- http://www.aveda.com/ Business: Consumer Goods and Services: Health and Beauty: Cosmetics (2) Clinique - Sells skin care and makeup online, plus online skin-typing. Owned by Estee Lauder . -- http://www.clinique.com/main.html Business: Consumer Goods and Services: Health and Beauty: Cosmetics (2) Estée Lauder UK - Describes its product range ..blah... . -- http://www.esteelauder.co.uk/ Regional: Europe: United Kingdom: Business and Economy: Industries: Manufacturing: Consumer Products: Health and Beauty Another competitor is listed more than once Its product Lancome is http://www.lancome.com and http://www.lancome.com/index.asp plus the corporate site http://www.loreal.com all in the same Category http://dmoz.org/Business/Consumer_Goods_and_Services/Health_and_Beauty/Cosmetics/ I'm not trying to complain about others but show that Kp24, easeacold, beauticianssecret, myadec fit the same guidelines. With the corporate www.pharmacare.com.au site listed it still doesn't help finding head lice cure. (On a separate note pharmacare site didn't come up with the search keyword u:pharmacare, I assume that since it has just been listed the search index has not been refreshed).
Guest mark_mcnamara Posted December 4, 2002 Posted December 4, 2002 Re: Status of kp24,myadec, easeacold, beauticianS Additional to my last mail Estee Lauder also has listed another corporate site which shows all their products. Estée Lauder Companies - Manufacturers and marketers of skin care, makeup, fragrance and hair care products. Their products include Estée Lauder, Aramis, Clinique, Prescriptives, Origins, M·A·C, Bobbi Brown Essentials, Tommy Hilfiger, jane, Donna Karan, Aveda, La Mer, Stila, and Jo Malone. -- http://www.elcompanies.com/company/default.htm http://dmoz.org/Business/Consumer_Goods_and_Services/Health_and_Beauty/Cosmetics/
old_crone Posted December 4, 2002 Posted December 4, 2002 Re: Status of kp24,myadec, easeacold, beauticianS Aveda is a professional product line and nothing even remotely like Estee Lauder in any way, shape, or form. You can not purchase Aveda products from their site. You must be a professional Cosmetologist or salon distributor in order to sell their products and they have to attend classes to sell the product line to professionals. You can not link to their database so your users can purchase their product, no drop shipping, no online affiliate program. As far as the other products you have likened your situation to - none are a good analogy.
Guest mark_mcnamara Posted December 5, 2002 Posted December 5, 2002 Re: Status of kp24,myadec, easeacold, beauticianS Rechecking the Avenda, Estee lauder, Clinique sites, although they are all products of Estee lauder there appears no deeplinks that I can find, BUT another competitor L'Oreal product range Redken , Lancome etc have deeplinks to L'Oreal site and are separately listed in http://dmoz.org/Business/Consumer_Goods_and_Services/Health_and_Beauty/Cosmetics/ Pharmacare product sites KP24, EASE-a-COLD, Beauticians Secret and Myadec are the same as the L'Oreal sites in that they are "substantial information, tips, advice, and usage information for consumers " (extract from the guide lines) I'm just asking to review the sites to see if they add substantial information, tips, advice etc which I feel that each site does and Pharmacare is not disadvantaged to its competitors.
old_crone Posted December 5, 2002 Posted December 5, 2002 Re: Status of kp24,myadec, easeacold, beauticianS Once again, Redken is a "Professional" product line. Their site is not for selling their products, it's a information site and designed mainly for "Professionals" to use and place their salon location in the database if they use and sell Redken products. Only their haircare products are for resale (by salons), shampoos, conditioners, styling aids, everything else if for "Professional" use only! In case you haven't figured it out, I'm a professional in hair and beauty industry. Your analogy is faulty from a lack of knowledge in this area. These companies (yes, they are companies/corporations in their own right) are not doing what you are doing.
Guest mark_mcnamara Posted December 10, 2002 Posted December 10, 2002 Re: Status of kp24,myadec, easeacold, beauticianS You are correct that L'Oreal brands Lancome and Redken are set-up as separate companies within L'Oreal corporation. A better analogy is Procter & Gamble brands Pert Plus , Physique , Pepto Bismol , Olay , Noxzema which are all separately listed in dmoz. Another point is that the Pharmacare brands KP24 , Ease-a-cold , Beauticians Secret are all separate business names and provide the same "substantial information, tips, advice, and usage information for consumers "
Guest mark_mcnamara Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 Re: Status of kp24,myadec, easeacold, beauticianS It now been another month can you re-check the following sites 1. status of kp24 in Health/Conditions_and_Diseases/Skin_Disorders/Head_Lice 2. status of easeacold in Health/Conditions_and_Diseases/Infectious_Diseases/Viral/Influenza 3. status of myadec in Health/Nutrition/Nutrients_in_Foods/Vitamins_and_Minerals
Meta mngolden Posted January 11, 2003 Meta Posted January 11, 2003 Re: Status of kp24,myadec, easeacold, beauticianS Hello Mark, I am one of the Metas working on the Business reorganization. I also work in the Shopping tree. Your individual product sites will NOT be listed in ODP. Per editor guidelines: http://dmoz.org/guidelines/include.html "Remember, no site is guaranteed a listing in the Open Directory, and we depend on editors to use their own discretion." I'll explain why: - We are a web *directory*, NOT a search engine. - The contact page for each of the sites you've mentioned clearly list Pharmacare Labs as the company to contact, i.e. Pharmacare is the manufacturer. - We list sites, not pages. What you've created with your individual product sites is the equivalent of subpages for Pharmacare's site. - Visiting the Pharmacare website, the product sites are clearly listed - and linked - in both the right frame, and on the products page. - A *search engine* will spider Pharmacare's site, and pick up the individual product sites. Gimmster is correct that some sites are able to be listed in both the Regional and Topical portions of the directory. However, to be listed in any given tree a site must meet that tree's/category's guidelines. You have submitted *product* sites to categories that are _purely informational_. (If there are sites that are not purely informational, we need to rereview the site, and move it to a more appropriate category.) If we *could* list Pharmacare's site in Topical, we'd move it to a more appropriate category in Business or Shopping. Both of these trees use a common guideline (to paraphrase): a business or retailer must (if in the US) sell in more than one US state/region, or (if not in the US) sell outside their home country. The Pharmacare websites clearly have plastered all over them that this, that, or the other thing are "Australia's most trusted ______ product!" Editors reviewing the site(s) interpret the products and the company as serving *only* Australia. Therefore, the Pharmacare site does not qualify for listing in Business or Shopping; it does qualify for listing in Regional. My recommendation to you for additional listings? Pharmacare needs to start serving New Zealand as well.
Guest mark_mcnamara Posted January 14, 2003 Posted January 14, 2003 Re: Status of kp24,myadec, easeacold, beauticianS Thanks for the clarification. Yes Pharmacare is currently only distributed in Australia. Is there a possibility of having the brands separately listed in the regional categories under a category that best fit each brand. As the Pharmacare brands in the same way as the Procter & Gamble brands, which are all separately listed, cover such wide range of categories eg Head lice cure to beauty skin care products. The current Pharmacare Category /Regional/Oceania/Australia/New_South_Wales/Localities/W/Warriewood/Business_and_Economy/Industries/Manufacturing is more about a manufacture located in the suburb of Warriewood than giving user information on head lice cure and skin care products.
Guest mark_mcnamara Posted February 5, 2003 Posted February 5, 2003 Re: Status of kp24,myadec, easeacold, beauticianS In answer to your comment "Pharmacare needs to start serving New Zealand as well" This is now happening and also it distributes to Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong and the Pacific Islands. The sites now reflects this but retain the strong message of Australian made and owned. My question is do I need to re submit the sites or can this new info be related to the reviews in each category www.easeacold.com.au-> Health/Conditions_and_Diseases/Infectious_Diseases/Viral/Influenza/ www.myadec.com.au -> Health/Nutrition/Nutrients_in_Foods/Vitamins_and_Minerals/ www.kp24.com.au -> Health/Conditions_and_Diseases/Skin_Disorders/Head_Lice www.beauticianssecret.com.au Submited to Business: Consumer Goods and Services: Health and Beauty: Cosmetics but it appears that Category has been removed.
uzs980 Posted February 6, 2003 Posted February 6, 2003 Re: Status of kp24,myadec, easeacold, beauticianS Please read the thread again and do not resubmit the product sites, as they won't be listed. But you may submit your company site http://www.pharmacare.com.au/ to the most appropriate Business category. Robert
Guest mark_mcnamara Posted February 6, 2003 Posted February 6, 2003 Re: Status of kp24,myadec, easeacold, beauticianS The problem is that the company manufactures very different brands. A response in another discussion here "A Topical listing, on the other hand may list deeplinks if the deeplink is specific to the category, contains unique information for the category, meets the category requirements, and it, or it's parent company is not listed elsewhere in the same tree." These brands sites I believe fit this description as they are in very different categories. eg www.myadec.com.au ->Health/Nutrition/Nutrients_in_Foods/Vitamins_and_Minerals/ www.kp24.com.au -> Health/Conditions_and_Diseases/Skin_Disorders/Head_Lice Looking at a competitor Procter & Gamble brand's they have been granted separate listing for their brands www.olay.com , www.clairol.com , www.noxzema.com to name just a few. All Procter & Gamble brands have links on the Procter & Gamble website to their Brands web sites. I can't see why Pharmacare is being treated differently.
Meta mngolden Posted February 6, 2003 Meta Posted February 6, 2003 Re: Status of kp24,myadec, easeacold, beauticianS I've since learned that I unintentionally spread one piece of misinformation: Business does not share the same guideline as Shopping re: US v. non-US sites. I wanted to correct what I said before; my apologies. Robert is correct that your product sites will NOT be listed.
uzs980 Posted February 6, 2003 Posted February 6, 2003 Re: Status of kp24,myadec, easeacold, beauticianS Even if we listed your product sites, we wouldn't list them in the categories you've written, as these are for informational and not for commercial sites.
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