the new ODP

[dstanovic]

Your welcome enarra,

 

People sometimes do not understand that volunteers have better things to do with their lives then "volunteer". They do it because they believe they make a difference, and they believe in what they are doing. I appreciate the time and effort all of you do. Keep up the good work and don't let the bad apples influence your thinking /images/icons/smile.gif

[Guest]

<< Many of the most prolific editors in the directory edit simply because they enjoy the task of reviewing sites and seeing the directory grow. >>

 

I've done that too enarra with almost 9000 edits and one day you hear about something about you, you ask a question and then bye, bye.

 

hoping not to get edited out again.

verbatim

[yklaw]

Yep.

 

I can be pretty certain of one thing. I remembered when I applied, I didn't have much of a website, if at all (a few joke ones that I've never even bothered to submit to DMOZ). I applied because I submitted to those ideals and thought that it'd be a cool cause. Hey presto!

 

Insulting people and flaming an organisation where we try our utmost to ensure that people do not abuse is a very bad idea. As ettore said, there is no point posting here if you will never believe that.

 

Please also take a look at <a href="http://resource-zone.com/guidelines.php">the forum guidelines</a>, where it states specifically

 

"Flames, slanderous/offensive comments and advertising is strictly forbidden."

 

Thanks. /images/icons/smile.gif

[Guest]

You took the time to write your post attacking everything and everyone involved in the ODP so I'm taking the time to reply.

 

I find it deeply insulting. I'm not there because I wan't to rub noses or kiss butt. I'm there because I'm making and taking an active role in something that I believe in.

[Guest]

>>Mel: If you do a search in Google, some sites will come up with descriptions on them other than what Google got off the site itself. Where do you think they came from?<<

 

Well I aready answered this question, but let me expound a bit. Yes Google does index ODP and use the results in its searches sometimes, just like it indexes all websites it crawls and uses those results, but I believe it likely that the results you are speaking of come from Googles directory, which is of course based on ODP.

 

But to go back to the original question - Do you seriously think that Google derives its search results from ODP in the same way that MSN uses Inktomi????????

[Guest]

The Google Directory uses pagerank to display the sites rather than the default alphabetical order used on dmoz.org, and it eliminates the "cool site" distinction, but I can't think of any other differences.

[Guest darker]

Do you seriously think that Google derives its search results from ODP in the same way that MSN uses Inktomi?

 

No, not in the same way. They do it in a much more useful way... /images/icons/wink.gif

Your own phrasing of "derives" vs. "uses" already points to the main difference.

 

A site that is listed in the ODP will not only be shown in the Google directory, but it is essentially garanteed a listing in the normal Google index. It also gets a jump start for its PageRank, because Googlebot will find links to it on several of the other sites that use the ODP data as well. It is not unusual to find that the majority of the top listings in a Google search have a directory description and category shown with them. Not that you should immediately expect a top position at Google just from your ODP listing, but it definitively helps.

[Guest]

Mel,

 

http://www.google.com/dirhp?hl=en

 

Hope this answers your questions.

 

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[Guest]

>>>People sometimes do not understand that volunteers have better things to do with their lives then "volunteer".

 

i think volunteers sometimes do not understand that they have better things to do with their lives than volunteer to contribute to corporate greed.

 

i am not here (leaving BTW after this) because i'm angry at the ODP for not including me - i can get accepted as an editor any day of the week (Mr. Faber says he can and does) the process for application is so silly that all you need to do is write how you're a [edited: no libel please] or pathetic [edited: no libel please] to get accepted. it's easy - anyone can do it all the time. it's playing to sexism, and it works all the time.

 

i'm [edited: watch your language] off at what i see to be a mistreatment of happy new editors who try to participate and are who get shut-down by rude anti-social senior editors who think they're smart for no other reason than that they were accepted as editors in the first place and have the time to make 10,000+ edits for no good reason other than to be 'above' other editors. this is the basis of the 'culture'.

 

i am satisfied that i no longer need to participate in this sickly culture in order to make my $$$ as an SEO because NO ONE USES THE ODP any more - ha hahahhahahhaa a ha ha ha - the reason why no one is reading DMOZ data is BECAUSE of the attitude that i'm writing about - it's antisocial and DMOZ finally suffers because of it.

 

you won't have ME to look for anymore, because users aren't looking for YOU!!! ha hahahha ha ha ha h

 

bye!

[Guest]

Hi Darker:

 

I more or less agree with what you say, but if you go back in the thread you will find a statement that AOL, Netscape and Google all "use" ODP data in their search results. I am merely pointing out that;

 

A. AOL no longer uses ODP data

and

B. Google does not return its results from ODP data, but from its own database. It is true that you get a bit of a head start in Google if you have an ODP listing, but given the time it can take to get that ODP listing, that is not the preferred way to go (unless you don't mind waiting a few months for your listing in ODP and then another few weeks for Google)

 

sahbbg:

???? I don't have any questions about Google only answers!

[dstanovic]

Glad to see your leaving /images/icons/smile.gif

Also happy I am not one of your customers /images/icons/smile.gif

[jimnoble]

For more of this sort of rant from the same person, try http://searchengineforums.com/Forum31/HTML/000570.html .

[jordancpeterson]

All I can say is only time will tell which directories and search engines will succeed and those that won’t. Time will tell! /images/icons/smile.gif

[Guest]

Why are we replying to such an obvious troll?

[Guest darker]

AOL no longer uses ODP data

 

Looks like we don't apply the term "uses" in exactly the same way. What is correct is that AOL doesn't directly return directory listings any more when you use the search box. So you could say that the ODP data is presented in a less prominent way than it was the case in the past.

 

But AOL has never stopped using ODP data at all. If you go to http://search.aol.com/ , then the ODP categories are displayed very prominently smack in the middle of the screen. And if you do any search, then you will get a "Narrow Your Search" section below the direct returns, which leads you to the relevant ODP categories. How would you call this, if not "using ODP data"?

 

 

Google does not return its results from ODP data, but from its own database.

 

On Google, the situation is somewhat similar. In fact, it's even more useful, as the search results contains directory entries that are explicitly marked as such, and you have an easy choice of searching the normal Google index, the ODP data, their image index, or the Usenet archive, switching between them with one click. Isn't it great to have a choice?

 

Nobody claimed that the ODP had completely taken over the Google search results. We have better things to do. /images/icons/wink.gif But it's definitively to the advantage of Google's users, that they use the ODP data in a way that strongly influences most searches.

[jordancpeterson]

If any search engine ever starts to use the ODP data all by it’s self I feel they’ll have made their biggest mistake. We all know why Google has had its success! They use multiple ways to rank sites. No one way will ever be perfect. But Google does use our descriptions. /images/icons/smile.gif

[Guest crowbar]

As a new, but seasoned editor, scott2121, I can tell you that I have no personal desire, whatsoever, to climb the ladder. I can see where it might be handy to have a little more freedom and priviledges to get certain work done, but, status for it's own sake, means nothing to me.

 

That may not be the case with other editors, but, who can blame them for following thier interests and wanting to enjoy more editing priviledges?

 

That's why we're here, to enjoy ourselves and try and do a good job of editing and placing sites, as well as, building categories.

 

Most of us are here to make the directory better, but, there are always the sneaks, who think they're smarter than the system and can use it to promote either themselves or thier affiliates. Those people, when they're caught and justly dismissed, would naturally be bitter and hold a grudge.

 

Then, I suppose there are others, who just can't follow the rules and work within the system or, who are just plain lousy editors who can't do the job. Those people are also asked to leave.

 

How the search engines use the work we do is unimportant to me. What's important is how well I do my job, as time permits me to, and how much I enjoy the editors I work with and the fun of creating something.

 

I'll leave the bigger issues to those who are qualified and knowledgible enough to deal with them, and, I'll trust thier integrity and motives.

[Guest]

Hi Darker:

 

you have to go back in the thread a bit, but what we are discussing is "search engines use of ODP data".

 

We are not talking about people visiting AOL and laboriously finger walking through hundreds of thousands of directory listings, but the enlightned use of the search box to find information, which on AOL will currently return information from the Inktomi database. I know its a hard pill to swallow but the fact is SEARCHERS on AOL will now get Inktomi data.

 

With regard to Google it seems that perhaps users and OPD editors use Google differently. Yes, I agree there is a Google directory and it is based on the ODP data feed, and yes, sometimes when the keyword matches a category Google does return a Google category listing, but for the great majority of the searches the only results seen are the results from Googles own database, ranked by their own algo.

 

I trust that it will come as no great surprise that the vast majority of SEARCHERS use the search box.

[Guest]

Mel,

 

It's not a surprise to me that many of the users of ODP use the Search form, I use it myself in order to find specific categories in the directory. But the ODP is not really made to be searched, it is made to be used as a directory, if I want truly relevant search I go to Google, because Google is a search engine.

 

On the AOL search page it says "Some results provided by Inktomi", I think what that means is that they have integrated the Inktomi data into the search results along with the ODP data. The first page that comes up at http://search.aol.com/ is a directory, forgive me if I am wrong but it looks very similiar to the ODP hierarchy.