Crooner Posted August 25, 2004 Author Posted August 25, 2004 Dear pvgool, What kind of idiot would search every country in the world - when they specifically want UK ONLY The site is primarily aimed at UK - IT IS NOT IN UK LISTINGS If you dont care - as you say - so be it - no need for you to comment anymore on this topic. Thankfully there seem to be some people who do care and are making a constructive contribution.
Meta pvgool Posted August 25, 2004 Meta Posted August 25, 2004 I told you how the "problem" originated (see post #21). And I told you how to solve it (see post #25). From your reactions it seems to me that you in both cases only read the first line and you decided that you didn't like it and stopped reading any further. I will not answer PM or emails send to me. If you have anything to ask please use the forum.
Crooner Posted August 25, 2004 Author Posted August 25, 2004 Dear pvgool I do not wish to fall out with you or anyone else - but here are the facts not an opinion or a guess. It took Google several replies and 6 months to diagnose what was wrong - these questions and replies are in black and white and dated. You may have known instantly but Google apparently did not. The answer is you say - "Ask for an update of your current url " - Oh I see (silly me) this will be done tomorrow will it ?
Meta pvgool Posted August 25, 2004 Meta Posted August 25, 2004 The answer is you say - "Ask for an update of your current url " - Oh I see (silly me) this will be done tomorrow will it ? Don't know. Just as any suggestion it will be handled when an editor has time for it. But like me a lot of editors prefer to handle update requests before the other suggestions as they are much easier to proces. Tip: if we can't find information on the old site (either a 301 or manual redirect) pointing us to the new url we will not change the listing. This is not because we don't want to help you but just to protect listed sites (or else anybody could ask for a change of any listed site to their site). I will not answer PM or emails send to me. If you have anything to ask please use the forum.
Crooner Posted August 25, 2004 Author Posted August 25, 2004 Dear pvgool, It has been stated in a previous thread that it can take up to 2 years. Could you lend me £250,000 for a couple of years ? I decided to go with 2 sites with a different product and different content when at last the final problem of a duplicate site was eventually diagnosed by Google. Since then the sites have had a huge amount of time and work done on them in order to comply with what I have been told to do by Google - so all I can do is wait. Yet again let me reiterate - this nightmare not the fault of Dmoz. However if just one person of limited technical knowledge (like myself) learns from this - then at least it has helped someone.
Meta pvgool Posted August 25, 2004 Meta Posted August 25, 2004 However if just one person of limited technical knowledge (like myself) learns from this - then at least it has helped someone. OK, lesson to be learned. If you want your site to focus on a specific country and its inhabitants than you should get a site with an extenstion for that country and preferably also a webhost located in that country. You might get a 'better' (= cheaper) offer from a webhost in an other country or for a .com extention but in the end it will be you who will have to pay the price. I will not answer PM or emails send to me. If you have anything to ask please use the forum.
spectregunner Posted August 25, 2004 Posted August 25, 2004 Yet again let me reiterate - this nightmare not the fault of Dmoz Thank you.
Crooner Posted August 25, 2004 Author Posted August 25, 2004 Dear pvgool, Your right again - Ive been a total idiot - I should have known that Slough England is in Germany - its obvious !
motsa Posted August 25, 2004 Posted August 25, 2004 I decided to go with 2 sites with a different product and different content Actually, no, what you decided to go with is splitting your content for the same product (a tribute band) over 2 domains. You're not going to get both sites listed in the ODP. And has been already stated here, if you want to get the uk domain listed instead of the .biz one, you'll need to set the .biz one to redirect to the .uk one. Feel free to submit an update request to change the URL once you put that in place. The reason you're not getting a lot of commiserating comments from people here is that your issue is strictly a Google one and, since this forum is all about the ODP and not Google, a discussion of how to save yourself Google grief really isn't appropriate for this forum. Not that it isn't a important topic to some web site owners, just that it isn't an appropriate topic here.
Crooner Posted August 26, 2004 Author Posted August 26, 2004 Dear Motsa, Your 2 points 1 You wrote - "Actually, no, what you decided to go with is splitting your content for the same product (a tribute band) over 2 domains. You're not going to get both sites listed in the ODP." Your comment has no factual basis what so ever. They are 2 different products at which a vast majority of different people are employed - how can you possibly make a statement that they are the same product ? Another reason for keeping 2 sites (after we were told to get them) is that the much larger show was dominating the smaller show - so a lot of time and money was spent to differentiate between the products and websites. National football teams have websites - so do the players and so do the club teams they play for - these have obviouly just split the the same product have they ? will you now be delisting all these ? 2 you wrote - "The reason you're not getting a lot of commiserating comments from people here is that your issue is strictly a Google one and, since this forum is all about the ODP and not Google". Look at the title of the topic - it is not about me - my website - my misfortune. I have only given the website details to be open and honest. No need for prople to cry for me - trust me Ill get by.
Meta hutcheson Posted August 26, 2004 Meta Posted August 26, 2004 crooner, listen to motsa. She's right on this one, and you'll save yourself the effort of writing umpteen pages to Google techs complaining about ODP doing what their editors' guidelines telling them to do. One company, one website. When you've got 100,000 people working for you, like GM, we can think about two websites. Until then, your figures just show that the ration is 50,000 people per website -- and you don't have enough people for the first one. You don't want to go there. Our rules work better for you than your proposal does. Under your proposal, you should get no listings. Under ours, you'll be considered for one.
motsa Posted August 26, 2004 Posted August 26, 2004 That last statement that you quoted wasn't intended to mean that I thought you were looking for sympathy about your specific situation. I just wanted to clarify why maybe you weren't getting more interest in the situation than you were (i.e. why you were largely getting "it's not an ODP issue" responses). As for the other, well, I looked at both sites and they're still fraternal mirror sites so I stand by my comment.
Crooner Posted August 26, 2004 Author Posted August 26, 2004 Visit our sister sites mozilla.org | chefmoz.org | musicmoz.org | open-site.org
Meta hutcheson Posted August 26, 2004 Meta Posted August 26, 2004 Yes, that is exactly the example you should be following.
Crooner Posted August 28, 2004 Author Posted August 28, 2004 Dear Motsa, You wrote - "I looked at both sites and they're still fraternal mirror sites" ------------------ Fraternal means brotherly - eg - Bill Smith & Don Smith two brothers who are DIFFERENT people. A Mirror provides a duplicate image. In my opinion the factual evidence is unquestionable. However if you choose try and invent some different interpretation then so be it. PS - more relevant to the topic has pvgool found Slough England in Germany yet ?
Crooner Posted August 28, 2004 Author Posted August 28, 2004 Dear hutcheson, I gave the example odf Dmoz - Visit our sister sites mozilla.org | chefmoz.org | musicmoz.org | open-site.org You replied - Yes, that is exactly the example you should be following. ----------------- Are these not 4 websites own by the same people which are all a collection of website listings and information - but have been split in to different sites to try and help people differentiate. It seems to me this is exactly what I have done - with each site being given regular updates of different information on different products.
motsa Posted August 28, 2004 Posted August 28, 2004 >> Are these not 4 websites own by the same people which are all a collection of website listings and information - but have been split in to different sites to try and help people differentiate. Actually mozilla.org is a web browser, Chefmoz is a restaurant review/info site, Musicmoz is a music enyclopedia site, and Opensite is a more general encyclopedia (like Wikipedia). Only Chefmoz is actually owned by AOL. MusicMoz and Opensite were started by ODP editors but are not owned by AOL/Netscape. And Mozilla, well, if you don't know what Mozilla is you should probably check out their site (and they're not owned by AOL/Netscape either). By all means, link freely between any sites that you consider sister (or brother) sites the same way we do. But then that has nothing at all to do with what we're talking about here. BTW "fraternal mirrors" is an ODP term for sites that are related but not identical (kind of like fraternal twins).
Crooner Posted August 29, 2004 Author Posted August 29, 2004 Dear Motsa, (may I call you Dorothy ?) I have searched for issues on your - "fraternal mirrors" - and all that I have found involve people who have sites selling the same thing or have been dodgy or deceptive in someway eg no phone number etc. My situation is that I have been totally honest from the offset and the key facts are whilst the theme is similar - they are different products. Example a Paul McCartney website and a Beatles website - he was part of a 4 man show - same person 2 different products. I will willingly answer any questions to clarify the difference of the products or websites.
Meta hutcheson Posted August 29, 2004 Meta Posted August 29, 2004 The point is, you link to YOUR related sites and we'll link to OURS.
Crooner Posted August 30, 2004 Author Posted August 30, 2004 Dear Hutcheson, You wrote "The point is, you link to YOUR related sites and we'll link to OURS." ------------- The point is the sites are different and should be given a Dmoz listing. Yet again we have a statement from you - not answers to the key question - please explain the facts why you state they are not different ?
Meta pvgool Posted August 30, 2004 Meta Posted August 30, 2004 The point is the sites are different and should be given a Dmoz listing. As specified on http://dmoz.org/add.html "Editorial Discretion" ".. a site's placement in the directory is subject to change or deletion at any time at our sole discretion .." So there never can be an "should be given a listing" Yet again we have a statement from you - not answers to the key question - please explain the facts why you state they are not different ? Because they are from the same owner and about the same subject. I will not answer PM or emails send to me. If you have anything to ask please use the forum.
Guest gimmster Posted August 30, 2004 Posted August 30, 2004 The point is the sites are different and should be given a Dmoz listing. Ah, the nub of the problem. You are equating 1 URL = 1 site , whereas we have a different interpretation of 1 company/entity total web presence = 1 site. How you choose to distribute your online presence is, of course, entirely up to you. You can spread it over several domains, over multiple sub domains, or on a single html page - thats up to you. You also get to choose whether to link the disparate sections of the presence together or not - thats site navigation. We choose to list a single entry point to your web presence, you have some control over which entry point by which URL you suggest to us, but we have the final say in which we actually list. :tree:
Meta hutcheson Posted August 30, 2004 Meta Posted August 30, 2004 >The point is the sites are different and should be given a Dmoz listing. The point is, there is no conceivable use to our users in giving both sites a listing. If we link to one, and it links to the other, then conceptually they are one site and should NOT get two listings. If we link to one, and its webmaster thinks the other site is so totally worthless as to not deserve a link FROM HIS OWN SITE -- then who are we to disagree? There is no case where it makes sense to have two ODP listings.
Crooner Posted August 30, 2004 Author Posted August 30, 2004 Dear pvgool, Why do you ignore questions you are asked - and then tune in when convenient on a different question ? Relevant to the topic (which wandered off course some time ago) Have you found Slough England in Germany yet ? Yes or no ? Are you lost ? Are you still looking ? It is very simple ? Or perhaps is everyone a stupid imbecile who does not know that Slough England is a fraternal mirror of Germany is that it ? Answer the question please !
Crooner Posted August 30, 2004 Author Posted August 30, 2004 Dear Gimmster An articulate answer which I respect. So a different company name on each would solve the problem then for these 2 different sites with different content?
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