needlejack Posted August 28, 2004 Posted August 28, 2004 Hi: I submitted our site a little over a month ago http://www.supplytattoo.com to Shopping: Niche: Bodyart: Tattoo at least I hope that was the section I submitted to =) Thanks
Meta pvgool Posted August 28, 2004 Meta Posted August 28, 2004 As has already been told in a previous thread of you. We need a clickable link for the category as specified in the forum guidelines. I don't know the status but I can tell you that we won't list both urls as they are for the same site. See also http://resource-zone.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17971 I will not answer PM or emails send to me. If you have anything to ask please use the forum.
needlejack Posted August 30, 2004 Author Posted August 30, 2004 not the same site Hi: The iamthelast.com and the supplytattoo.com are not the same site. I had closed the iamthelast.com site and was worried that it would get listed so I had it point to the supplytattoo.com site. The supplytattoo.com site is the main site and the one we wish to be listed. We are currently listed as #1 on yahoo for keyword tattoo supply, tattoo equipment, tattoo guns, etc.... we are very anxious to get this listed on dmoz and are willing to comply with whatever rules we must abide by. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Kristy Caruso -> Needle Jack Tattoo Supply
needlejack Posted September 1, 2004 Author Posted September 1, 2004 Clickable Link to Category Hi: Would you please check the status of: http://www.supplytattoo.com posted to the category of: http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Niche/Bodyart/ We're not trying to be a nuisance, however our two parent companies (Technical Tattoo and Unimax Supply) are listed in the directory, so naturally we are trying to list ours as well. We have over 630 links coming into our site and are on top of all search engines but this one =) If someone could take a moment of their time to list our site we would be most appreciative. Sincerely, Christopher Caruso Needle Jack Tattoo Supply http://www.supplytattoo.com (800) 490-5744
donwiebe Posted September 2, 2004 Posted September 2, 2004 I ca'n't find a submission for that URL in that category, and there is no record of it having been reviewed. Please feel free to resubmit the site, once, to the most appropriate category, and then return here in a month for another status update.
needlejack Posted September 2, 2004 Author Posted September 2, 2004 Thank you - I will Appreciate the moment of your time. I will resubmit and check back.
needlejack Posted October 15, 2004 Author Posted October 15, 2004 Submitted on 2 Sep 2004 Needle Jack Tattoo Supply Submitted to shopping/niche/bodyart/tattoo We would like to know the status of this submission. Our site has been up and operational for some time and we have tried extremely hard to follow the guidelines as carefully as possible. Thank You.
motsa Posted October 15, 2004 Posted October 15, 2004 A clickable link to the category would be this ==> http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Niche/Bodyart/Tattoo Your suggestion has been received and is awaiting review. You may come back to this thread after April 15, 2005, to get a status update if the site isn't listed by then.
needlejack Posted December 7, 2004 Author Posted December 7, 2004 I would like to change the category to which I submitted I'm trying to figure out how to navigate to the page the editor controls for manufacturers but there is no way to do it. Would someone please inform the editor that we would like to list our site under the category. We make tattoo machines, needles, and power supplies. I thought this would be the appropriate category after I seen what other categories the editor is in charge of. Thanks. http://dmoz.org/Bookmarks/V/voneee/Tattoo_Equipment_Manufacturers/
djdeeds Posted December 7, 2004 Posted December 7, 2004 That's someone's bookmarks, not a part of the directory. The kind of category you mean would be somewhere under http://dmoz.org/Business . I don't see one, though. The point is moot, however, since the site seems to actually be a http://dmoz.org/Shopping site and so would get published there if anywhere.
raggedyrugs Posted December 7, 2004 Posted December 7, 2004 The site is a "Shopping" site and will in no way ever be listed in a Business category. Most likely an editor will enter a site into a bookmark category for the same reasons anyone else uses bookmarks. You could take a chance and submit an "Update URL" and have it moved to a Business category, but that would delay it being listed as it would have to be moved back to the correct category.
needlejack Posted January 3, 2005 Author Posted January 3, 2005 Thank You Ok, thanks for the tip. I know it's a shopping site - that's why I thought the category http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Niche/Bodyart/ would be the appropriate one seeing that we work with both Technical and Unimax which do the same thing we do - sell tattoo supplies. They are listed in this category http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Niche/Bodyart/ and likewise why we want to be listed right with our competitors.
needlejack Posted February 6, 2005 Author Posted February 6, 2005 Is it possible to be listed in more than one catagory? Dear Editors: Thank you for all of your time and energy regarding my site. We have been spending quite a bit of time reading and studying SEO and trying to implement what we have read on our own site http://www.supplytattoo.com I look now on the directory and see that we are listed under: http://dmoz.com/Regional/North_America/United_States/Montana/Localities/B/Billings/Business_and_Economy/Shopping/ category. That's good seeing that we are here in Billings, MT - which leads me to my questions. 1) Will Google ever index the regional site that we are currently listed under? If so, does it carry the same weight that a top level category holds and how often is it re indexed? Also, when searching on DMOZ we also DO NOT show up under the search results. Which is also why we are asking this question. 2) Is it possible to be listed under the top level category as well? The reason I ask is it has been some time since we originally submitted to http://dmoz.com/Shopping/Niche/Bodyart/ The unfortunate part is that I do not see any new submissions to include myself. This has been at least 7 1/2 months now since the original post. I even went as far as to apply to edit the category. Then I read somewhere were the editor got in trouble for doing that. Not where I am trying to go. We just want our site listed with our competitors. I also read were a site was banned all together from DMOZ. Editors: Is it possible to see if I managed to find myself on one of these lists? The last thing I want is to find myself never listed other than the regional category. I'm pretty sure how much weight a DMOZ listing holds seeing that my competition are sitting on top of Google (also listed under DMOZ) and I am quite a few pages back. Which leads me to another question. My PR is at 5/10. I have over 498 backward links to my site. We are listed #1 on Yahoo, MSN, Altavista etc. What is the magic formula for higher placement? I have been watching our keywords like a hawk. I've changed the content to match as well as checked all the links. As far as our navigation, our customers send us emails raving about how fast they received their order and how easy it was to order. Then we get to hear all the dirt about our competition. We see our competition eating us alive on Google and we definitely want some of that search action. Well anyway, it's early on Sunday and we've got stuff to do. I just wanted to take a few minutes to write and see if maybe there is something that we're not doing right? If so, we want to fix it so we can get moved in right away to a regular Top Category. Any help is appreciated.
Editall/Catmv arubin Posted February 6, 2005 Editall/Catmv Posted February 6, 2005 Quote Dear Editors: Thank you for all of your time and energy regarding my site. We have been spending quite a bit of time reading and studying SEO and trying to implement what we have read on our own site http://www.supplytattoo.com I look now on the directory and see that we are listed under: http://dmoz.com/Regional/North_America/United_States/Montana/Localities/B/Billings/Business_and_Economy/Shopping/ category. That's good seeing that we are here in Billings, MT - which leads me to my questions. 1) Will Google ever index the regional site that we are currently listed under? If so, does it carry the same weight that a top level category holds and how often is it re indexed? Also, when searching on DMOZ we also DO NOT show up under the search results. Which is also why we are asking this question. I'm afraid you were only listed there about a week ago. Answers: A. We don't control when google updates their directory or spiders dmoz.org. B. We don't control google's page rank algorithm, nor do we know anything non-public about it. C. DMOZ search is almost always at least a week behind. Quote 2) Is it possible to be listed under the top level category as well? The reason I ask is it has been some time since we originally submitted to http://dmoz.com/Shopping/Niche/Bodyart/ The unfortunate part is that I do not see any new submissions to include myself. This has been at least 7 1/2 months now since the original post. I even went as far as to apply to edit the category. Then I read somewhere were the editor got in trouble for doing that. Not where I am trying to go. We just want our site listed with our competitors. A. Yes. Submissions in Shopping and in Regional do not interfere with each other. B. I show a change in the category on September 17, 2004. I haven't checked to see whether there were any new or modified listings, but there was a change. C. Neither you nor the site suggestion gets in trouble for you applying to edit the category. Your application will be rejected unless you announce your affiliations in the application, and show you can give your competitors a fair listing, but that rejection won't hurt the site suggestion. (That category is too big for a new editor, anyway, except under exceptional circumstances.)
needlejack Posted February 6, 2005 Author Posted February 6, 2005 September 17, 2004 Wow - That's quite a long time with no activity September 17, 2004! Especially seeing that there are only about 15 tattoo supply websites worth viewing - us being one of them Can you see if there is another category that would be better suited for our site that has an active editor?
Editall/Catmv arubin Posted February 7, 2005 Editall/Catmv Posted February 7, 2005 There's no point in submitting to another category. The reviewing editor will just send to somewhere in [cat]Shopping/Niche/Bodyart[/cat], and it might take even longer for it to filter to the Tatoo subcat, or possibly somewhere below that. The more submissions of a site, the more likely it is that all of them will be deleted in an attempt to reduce the number of submissions to one. This would be the result of a mistake by an editor, but we all make mistakes from time to time.
needlejack Posted February 8, 2005 Author Posted February 8, 2005 Thank You Well doesn't that suck I guess I will just have to grin and bare it and hope that the editor of the tattoo catagory someday picks us up. Maybe I could do a cartwheel or something to impress her. Or not. Trying to make light of a very dark and cold place ( the non listed in dmoz zone ). Thank you again for enlighting me to the backend of DMOZ. I wasn't aware about submitting to different catagories. I was just hoping to find an editor that wasn't so busy or cluttered with spam submissions to somehow find the few minutes to look at ours.
needlejack Posted February 8, 2005 Author Posted February 8, 2005 A little Miffed <post removed--multiple forum policy violations.>
bobrat Posted February 8, 2005 Posted February 8, 2005 You are free to post an abuse report if you have evidence. [Having looked at edit logs in that area, you would, however, in my opinion be wasting your time] An editor that does not review sites "often enough" is not abuse. We don't get rid of editors for failing to work hard enough to keep web site owners happy. Editors may be removed for violation of the editing guidelines http://www.dmoz.org/guidelines/ or for providing better descriptions for theirs sites than competitors, or for deleting sites that should be listed. No editor controls a category. An editor has permission to edit in a category. An editor may have permission to work in several categories, and choose to split their time over several of them working on one then another at different times. The fact your site is not listed is not abuse, and posting in this forum does not get sites listed faster.
needlejack Posted March 1, 2005 Author Posted March 1, 2005 Labeled Spammer Hi: Finally we were listed by the editor in the tattoo category and also on a Regional Level by a local editor. That was exciting news. Unfortunately I was labeled a spammer in the process of trying to get my Regional Editor to update our description which was extremely non descriptive compared to our competition. I was under the impression that when I submit an update that it goes to an editor and not a program that tallies up how many directory requests that I have submitted. Last night was the last straw when I put in a request to ask the editors to mirror our description or something similar to the one we had currently. Somehow it backfired and flagged me as a spammer and gave our incredible description a much less incredible one essentially mirroring our Regional Desription. That would of been fine had it done the reverse. Bottom line - we're not trying to spam DMOZ, I understand the goal of the directory and by no means am I trying to cause bumps in the road. However, I would like my mark of the beast lifted. Now that I know that you cannot submit 5 times within a week or two to have the site description listed I will never do it again. The editor of the category said that there is a spam mark on me and that she was unable to change anything. Any Meta Master in here? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Needle Jack Tattoo Supply Currently listed on: http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Niche/Bodyart/Tattoo/ which is a very vague mirror description compared to our competition on Regional: http://dmoz.org/Regional/North_America/United_States/Montana/Localities/B/Billings/Business_and_Economy/Shopping/
Editall/Catmv arubin Posted March 1, 2005 Editall/Catmv Posted March 1, 2005 Quote Needle Jack Tattoo Supply Currently listed on: http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Niche/Bodyart/Tattoo/ which is a very vague mirror description compared to our competition on No, it isn't. Less than half of the sites have more elaborate description.
needlejack Posted March 1, 2005 Author Posted March 1, 2005 Thank you for the fast reply. I understand your point of view. However, the point that I'm trying to make is that we had an incredible listing that was much more descriptive and comprable to our competition. Due to my many requests to update my Regional listing to mirror or revise as good as my listing in the main directory - it ended up back firing and changing my incredible listing to the less desireable regional listing. Wow - that sounds confusing. I'm not asking an editor to change my listing, there is already an editor that did change us and would be probably be willing to do so again except I'm now labeled a spammer! What I'm requesting is that my spammer label be removed. I had no idea that I was spamming. I honestly thought I was being ignored by an editor Regionally who deals with many types of businesses and probably really hasn't any idea about the products in which we sell or how they need to be worded so that it would make since. After care products are probably the least important of our tattoo supplies. Obviously not as important as equipment as a whole, supplies, ink, needles, etc. Originally the Regional editor listed us as selling stencils. This makes no since. There is no such thing in the supply world of tattooing as selling stencils. We would be humiliated in the tattoo community having a listing of this description. So 1/2 of my requests were for him/her to at least remove that part of the listing.
Editall/Catmv arubin Posted March 1, 2005 Editall/Catmv Posted March 1, 2005 I don't know what equipment is standard in your industry -- my apologies. However, I don't think there's much you can do. I could request a removal of your spammer label, but I don't have the authority to do so myself, nor would I do so without consultation. May I suggest you post here what you would want to see as your description -- if it seems appropriate, perhaps some editor (familiar with your industry) will submit a update request. Or perhaps not.
jimnoble Posted March 1, 2005 Posted March 1, 2005 Making 8 submissions over a period of 28 days is excessive. Spreading those 8 submissions over 6 different categories is against our submission guidelines at http://dmoz.org/add.html which require that you choose just one. (These are the ones that you acknowledged you'd read and agreed on each occasion). We don't do keywords. Bottom line is that you have two ODP listings. I suggest that you stop complaining now before somebody decides to re-evaluate that situation.
motsa Posted March 2, 2005 Posted March 2, 2005 Quote However, the point that I'm trying to make is that we had an incredible listing that was much more descriptive and comprable to our competition.You had that "incredible" description for all of 12 hours before it was corrected. You must have been sitting on the page waiting for a change to appear in order to have even noticed it.
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