schluggi Posted January 31, 2003 Posted January 31, 2003 Could you please tell me the status on my submission for: http://www.lingeriesexylingerie.com/ in DMOZ cat: http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Clothing/Undergarments/Lingerie/ Thanks a lot <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" /> Schluggi
uzs980 Posted January 31, 2003 Posted January 31, 2003 Your submission was moved to Shopping: Clothing: Undergarments: Lingerie: Exotic where it is now waiting for review along with more than a hundred others. We must ask you to be patient. You may ask for a status update again in this thread after one or two months.
steveb Posted January 31, 2003 Posted January 31, 2003 This is one category that I thought wouldn't be without an editor....
schluggi Posted February 16, 2003 Author Posted February 16, 2003 Although i am patient, but yes this category has no editor. Maybe someone will have mercy and edit it a little sooner than the given time ? <img src="/images/icons/smirk.gif" alt="" />
schluggi Posted March 13, 2003 Author Posted March 13, 2003 I would like to find out, if there are any news about my inclusion? Waiting patiently (but nervous) for positive results <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" /> Thanks a lot.
oneeye Posted March 14, 2003 Posted March 14, 2003 No change I'm afraid. But the queue is moving, even if quite slowly so please continue to be patient.
schluggi Posted April 26, 2003 Author Posted April 26, 2003 Can anyone let me know please, if or when our site will be indexed? I truly believe that i am waiting patiently, since it's about 4 or 5 month now since i've submitted the site. Then on the other hand, why has the site been pushed to a dirctory which doesn't have any editor? Or may I ask for an alternative (why not the category where i submitted in the first place) where i could submit the site as well, with a chance for a faster inclusion. It's just a little bit frustrating if nothing happens. Suggestion would be very appreciated <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
giz Posted April 26, 2003 Posted April 26, 2003 No category is ever without an editor. It may not have a listed editor, but any catmod, editall or Meta editor can edit there. There is also no way that we can say how long it will take. Someone may breeze in tomorrow and review everything in the category, or it may be some weeks or months. Someone may decide to start by deleting all the spam there, or by listing sites that look listable. I don't know, and neither does anyone else. The best anyone can do, is give you the current status: listed, waiting, likely to be rejected, or rejected.
lachenm Posted April 26, 2003 Posted April 26, 2003 Adding to giz's answer, there is no way to tell when exactly any given site will be reviewed. Editors are volunteers, and they are not required to review a specific number of sites at any time. Also, editors are under no obligation to process sites in any particular order. >>Or may I ask for an alternative (why not the category where i submitted in the first place) where i could submit the site as well, with a chance for a faster inclusion.<< Actually, the only thing you would get by submitting your site in a category where it doesn't belong is a chance for slower inclusion. If an editor found it in an incorrect category, he or she would just move it to the correct category, where it would overwrite your earlier submission. If an editor decided to sort by date, your submission would be processed later. In addition, by creating extra work for editors, you would slow down the processing of sites overall. Your category was sent to what an editor believes is the appropriate category. You should not submit to another category just in the hopes of getting listed more quickly.
schluggi Posted July 15, 2003 Author Posted July 15, 2003 Hello, Is there any way to get an update on my submission? It's really not easy to show patience if you are "dumped" in an all abandoned category, in wich I strongly believe my site does not even belong to. I cannot hide my dissapointment about the editor who pushed it there. Even more if you check around and through the directory and you find competitors sites with even three entries. I recently have just re-submitted the site again to another category as well, since our business extended it's services. The new category was: Business: Consumer Goods and Services: Clothing: Undergarments and Sleepwear: Lingerie: Wholesale and Distribution I will keep waiting now, if I get included in THIS category which has only 15 entries. Well but the same editor..... sigh...
totalxsive Posted July 15, 2003 Posted July 15, 2003 Sorry, but NO STATUS CHECKS THIS WEEK. Come back in a week and we'll answer your queries.
schluggi Posted August 10, 2003 Author Posted August 10, 2003 Hello, Is there any way to get an update on my site status please?
raggedyrugs Posted August 10, 2003 Posted August 10, 2003 Suggestion to the Business category has been rejected because Shopping is definitely the main focus of the site. The URL has been changed to http://shop.store.yahoo.com/numberonevirtualbargainworld since that is where it is redirected. Is still waiting in Shopping/Clothing/Undergarments/Lingerie/Exotic along with about the same amount of others. I'm afraid the category isn't very actively edited. Suggest checking back in 2-3 months with fingers crossed.
schluggi Posted September 20, 2003 Author Posted September 20, 2003 Oaky this is getting rediculous.. Not to say it smells very bad. Not to mention that I wait for over a year to get included. Not to mention the editor for the main category pushed the site in an "abandoned" category. Now you are teilling me, the URL has been changed? Now then explain me why the ODP is flooded with sites which are just the same as mine - Yahoo! stores and are included with their correct domain, since they are properly (just like my own) set up and hosted by Yahoo!. NOT to mention the main categories editor own store. I'm not dissapointed anymore, I am simply upset about this double moral and measurements. I'd really like to get any explanation on this unfair treatment, which does not only effect me, but others as well.
flicker Posted September 20, 2003 Posted September 20, 2003 >Not to mention the editor for the main category pushed >the site in an "abandoned" category. I can't comment on your submission in particular; however, your site isn't in an "abandoned" category at all. The Lingerie editor just moved it to a more specific subcategory of his same category. He can edit there just as well as he can in the main category.
schluggi Posted September 20, 2003 Author Posted September 20, 2003 This is not true, and the facts prove I am right. The category has no editor. The site is sitting there for like 9 month or more. I even question if it belogs to that category at all. It does not justify the URL change anyway. But I sure see how it goes. It's more importand to have the own site(s) listed and keep competitors out of the picture as long as possible. At least this is the overall impression I get from all of this. Sorry to say so.
flicker Posted September 20, 2003 Posted September 20, 2003 >This is not true Actually, it is. All editors can edit in the subcategories of their category. Always. That's how the system works. There are no exceptions. If the editor hasn't added your site yet, it is probably because there are many unreviewed sites currently in Lingerie in general and he is very busy. Which subcategory you are in is irrelevant to how long it will take. Nine months is not an uncommon, nor unreasonable, wait. No conspiracy theory is necessary. There are millions of websites out there. Yours is only one of them. It can take a while for any one given site to be considered for a listing. If you need immediate Internet exposure, you'd better look someplace else. We're really not a website promotion service. --------------- Disclaimer: This post constitutes an unofficial, personal opinion not necessarily shared by other ODP editors, the university, or my cats.
schluggi Posted September 24, 2003 Author Posted September 24, 2003 All editors can edit in the subcategories of their category. Always. That's how the system works. There are no exceptions. Maybe this is surprising, but I actually know how the system works. If the editor hasn't added your site yet, it is probably because there are many unreviewed sites currently in Lingerie in general and he is very busy. Which subcategory you are in is irrelevant to how long it will take. Incorrect It does make a difference, and if it's just because of PR. Nine months is not an uncommon, nor unreasonable, wait. No conspiracy theory is necessary. There are millions of websites out there. Yours is only one of them. It can take a while for any one given site to be considered for a listing. Nine month is not correct either, since I asked here the first time at the end of January, and at that time the site has been submitted already month ago. So we talking about a year. If you need immediate Internet exposure, you'd better look someplace else. We're really not a website promotion service. Now excuse me, but no one submits to the ODP for traffic from it. In fact it IS a "web promotion service". It is, since it's made to this by Google's evaluation of it. We really do not need to beat around the bush. last but not least, I still do not see justice at the domain change. The site runs properly with the domain carried in this subject, and this just like every other Yahoo! Store does, which is included in the ODP. INCLUDING the main categories editor own site. This is why I ask here to change the url back to the domain and drop that store.yahoo.com URL
Meta kokopeli Posted September 24, 2003 Meta Posted September 24, 2003 Incorrect It does make a difference, and if it's just because of PR. schluggi, flicker was speaking about a time perspective, not saying that placement in a subcat as opposed to the parent cat. ODP finds it important to place a site in the correct category. Flicker was saying that the editor of the parent category is usually the one to review the sites in the main and the subcat, so a smaller number of unreviewed in the subcat doesn't much matter if a larger number are in the parent cat...the editor may review in either place. Nine month is not correct either, since I asked here the first time at the end of January, and at that time the site has been submitted already month ago. So we talking about a year. Your submission is dated 12/Jan/2003 Now excuse me, but no one submits to the ODP for traffic from it. In fact it IS a "web promotion service". It is, since it's made to this by Google's evaluation of it. We really do not need to beat around the bush. ODP is not Google, the ODP does not control what Google does with ODP data, and the ODP is not a web promotion service. ODP does not exist for the website, it exists for the end user and is a directory. Google also lists sites independant of the ODP. If you want to be listed in Google independant of a listing at ODP, go there and submit your site. I understand that you would like your site listed NOW, so would thousands and thousands of others. Editors are volunteer, listings are free, and submissions are actually just suggestions for sites. No listing is guaranteed. Commercial categories receive a large quantity of submissions daily and as a result often take longer to be reviewed. The time you've waited really isn't unreasonble--although I completely understand that it may feel that way. Hopefully your site will be reviewed soon, but there really is nothing to do but wait. Someone will review it as soon as they are able to.
bobrat Posted September 24, 2003 Posted September 24, 2003 Maybe this is surprising, but I actually know how the system works. Obviously from your posts - you have no clue how the system works. It does make a difference, and if it's just because of PR. PR has absolutely nothing to do with ODP, we don't make PR, we don't use PR. Nine month is not correct either, since I asked here the first time at the end of January, and at that time the site has been submitted already month ago. So we talking about a year. And there are sites that have been waiting two years - so nine months is not out of line. Now excuse me, but no one submits to the ODP for traffic from it. In fact it IS a "web promotion service". It is, since it's made to this by Google's evaluation of it. Why you choose to submit is your business, but ODP is not and never has been a web promotion business. How Google chooses to use ODP is none of our business, and you should complain to them if your are not happy with what they do. We are not Google. Besides which you already have your other website in ODP, and this is just a subdivision of it, If I was the editor - I'd delete this one and not list it.
flicker Posted September 24, 2003 Posted September 24, 2003 Yes, Kokopeli is right. Sorry if I was somehow unclear. Which subcategory you are waiting to be listed in is irrelevant to HOW LONG it will take for your site to be reviewed. It may or may not be irrelevant to your PageRank. I have to say though that if you're relying on one more link from an ODP category you've probably already lost that battle. And to be a little more explicit about your wait time: one year may be a little long for a submitted site to await review, and I for one would like the average to be significantly below that. However, one year is NOT long at ALL for a site belonging to a business already represented in the ODP to await review, and if I had my druthers, I'd leave all duplicate and subdivision sites like this one for last. There are plenty of people waiting for a *first* listing. If people want to fish for a second listing for PageRank reasons, they should be willing to wait patiently until we're finished with more urgent matters. Flicker
raggedyrugs Posted September 25, 2003 Posted September 25, 2003 Because of adult content and links, your submission has been moved by me to the Adult site of ODP. Please ask for access at http://www.resource-zone.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=31272 and inquire there?
schluggi Posted September 27, 2003 Author Posted September 27, 2003 With all respect I have to disagree with some statements here. Not to say some are rude and annoying (bobrat). Especially if an editor comes up with offensive accusations like, someone would have no clue. That tells me the person didn't pay attention at all. This very thread here tells enough about my knowledge since I was patiently waiting and asking only after a long period of time. Simply scroll back and check the date stamps of the messages I've posted here. 1.) Regarding the submission date. The newer date stamp might be, because of an URL Change? I know I submitted the site already in 2002. 2.) Regarding the accusation of sub-division. A) This is plain and simple wrong. The companies head site is not even submitted nor included in the ODP. B) This is an independant from the second site working store. You are NOT able to combine any purchases. This is just another business under the head of one company. SUCH sites exist by the masses inside the ODP. Which leads me to the next thing. 3. Besides which you already have your other website in ODP, and this is just a subdivision of it, If I was the editor - I'd delete this one and not list it. Yeah sure..... And you guys wonder why webmasters get the impression something smells bad????? Now let's talk business here. The Editor for the main Category has FOUR sites listed in the ODP. Let's say it so, I found 4. I did not look any further. All of them are linked together just like my two sites, from which you woul like to eliminate one.. And hey. ohe yeah...... Of course, we talking about store.yahoo.com/<storeid> sites, which are listed with the regular domain. Wanna have the URLS? How come editor sites are listed properly????? How come they don't sit around in categories without a nominated editor, waiting for one or two years??? 4. If you accuse someone not knowing anything, and in the very same moment you claim ODP has nothing to do with PR and Google, that tells something. A) The ODP is the source for Google's Directory. B) Google evaluates therefor ODP included sites with PR bonus. C) Google recommends and refers to the ODP for inclusion into Googles Directory. I am pretty sure you are aware of this. So don't even think people are clueless. 5) I am all fine with a move to the adult section as well. Since we link to our adult site, it's perfectly acceptable. But I seriously request the URL correction, since this would be a mislead, and sure enough a very strange handling. Thank you to all those others responding in an helpful way. I appreciate your comments a lot.
flicker Posted September 27, 2003 Posted September 27, 2003 I doubt Bobrat was trying to offend you, Schluggi. You really and truly do not understand our system; this is a fact, not an insult. 1) You think that a subcategory is "abandoned" when, in fact, the main Lingerie editor can and does edit there. You are wrong; it is irrelevant to the review of your site which subcategory it is waiting in. This is how our editing system functions. 2) You think we are required to list multiple businesses under the heading of the same company. We are not. This is not how our organization selects sites for listing. 3) You think it is OK to submit sites which link to adult content to the non-Adult directory. It is not. This is not how we organize our data. 4) You think that Google's PageRank system is our concern. It is not. Google and the ODP are separate entities NOT under the heading of the same company. They do not tell us how their PageRank algorithm works and we do not have any influence over their search engine at all. They use our data (as do many other places). That is all. We have no control over them or their system. 5) We don't care what the PageRank, search engine results, or financial status is of any given website. We are not in the business of website promotion. From our point of view, it doesn't matter whose business does better at any of those things, yours or your competitor's. So you are never going to see us move your listing to a higher-PR category, give it keywords you like better, multiple listings, etcetera, only to affect your website traffic. That's not our business. Hopefully, you now have a better idea of how the ODP works. From the information you have given us, it is clear that the reason your site is taking so long to review is because it is marginally compliant with our guidelines: it was submitted to a too-general-but-higher-PageRank category of the wrong directory, and it belongs to the same company as an already-listed site. I can tell you that websites in this situation take at least three times as long to review as sites that are unique and submitted properly. If you had submitted to the correct subcategory of Adult in the first place, your site would probably have been reviewed by now (though not necessarily listed). Hope that helps. This is the way our directory works; if you really don't like it, you don't have to submit your site to us. We are, after all, providing a free service.
Meta pvgool Posted September 27, 2003 Meta Posted September 27, 2003 quote]Now let's talk business here. The Editor for the main Category has FOUR sites listed in the ODP. Let's say it so, I found 4. I did not look any further. All of them are linked together just like my two sites, from which you woul like to eliminate one.. And hey. ohe yeah...... Of course, we talking about store.yahoo.com/<storeid> sites, which are listed with the regular domain. Wanna have the URLS?/quote] If you want to report abuse please read http://www.resource-zone.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=34323&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1 I will not answer PM or emails send to me. If you have anything to ask please use the forum.
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