guddu Posted February 24, 2003 Posted February 24, 2003 Help for changing the description Our site http://www.essendeinki.com is listed in the category : Business: Electronics and Electrical: Electromechanical: Connectors and Terminals But the description is slightly wrong. Currently, it is : Manufacturers of PCB and transition connectors, dip connectors and cable connector assemblies, terminal blocks and terminal strips. Also includes miniature microswitches and relay timer sockets. Please help me change it to : ISO 9002 manufacturer of Electrical & Electronic connectors, components & accessories, PCB connectors, DIN 41612 connectors, DIP connectors, Transition connectors, Back Panel connectors, PC Board Headers, Box Headers, Terminals, Microswitches, Micro Control Switches from India. Regards
Meta windharp Posted February 24, 2003 Meta Posted February 24, 2003 Re: Help for changing the description 1: No we wont change a description from a good one using full sentences into a keyword-list. 2: Please use the "Update URL" feature at the upper right of every category for updates. THis is the only way updates are possible. Curlie Meta/kMeta Editor windharp
guddu Posted February 24, 2003 Author Posted February 24, 2003 Re: Help for changing the description I am sorry if it seems to you as a keyword list but these are some of the products essen deals in. I had already tried using Update URL but in vain. If it is not possible for you to change it as stated above, I request you to make it the following: ISO 9002 manufacturer of Electrical & Electronic connectors, components & accessories, PCB headers, box headers, terminal blocks & terminal strips, cable connector assemblies, microswitches, micro control switches from India. I feel, this would suit you right. Thanks & Regards
Guest rfgdxm Posted February 24, 2003 Posted February 24, 2003 Re: Help for changing the description To be honest, I'd say you should be thankful for the current description, as it seems a bit keyword stuffed to me. If I had edited that it might have been "Manufacturer of connectors and microswitches based in India" or such.
guddu Posted February 24, 2003 Author Posted February 24, 2003 Re: Help for changing the description Thanks for your kind response. I appreciate your efforts in not making the description keyword rich. But, Essen is into the business of manufacturing a wide range of electrical & electronic connectors, components & accessories. By adding "electrical & electronic" before connectors will make a description a sense of business we are in. So, can you please make it as: "ISO 9002 manufacturer of electrical & electronic connectors, terminals and microswitches based in India". Thanks & Regards
hildea Posted February 24, 2003 Posted February 24, 2003 Re: Help for changing the description Hi! "Electrical and electronics" are already in the category path. All sites in that category, and in all other subcategories of Business/Electronics_and_Electrical, are about businesses in the electronics and electrical industry. You might find the replies in this thread informative, especially the one from hutcheson. Regards, Hilde
guddu Posted February 24, 2003 Author Posted February 24, 2003 Re: Help for changing the description Thanks hildea, The thread really proved to be very helpful and informative. Can we make some changes in the current description as: "ISO 9002 manufacturer of connectors & microswitches, micro control switches, terminal blocks, terminal strips and relay timer sockets from India." (Is there any word limit?) Thanks & Regards
Meta windharp Posted February 24, 2003 Meta Posted February 24, 2003 Re: Help for changing the description You should try to read between the lines... If I (or another editor) would touch this entry based on a forum posting, it surely would not end up in the form you requested. Curlie Meta/kMeta Editor windharp
Meta hutcheson Posted February 24, 2003 Meta Posted February 24, 2003 Re: Help for changing the description You can submit whatever descriptions you want. But ... Let me _strongly_ encourage you to drop this BEFORE someone reviews the _current_ listing, which IMO already has too many keyword repetitions to be acceptable. It's a WEBSITE description, not a CORPORATE PRODUCT CATALOG. On the other hand, you mention "India" -- Have you submitted the site to a category under Regional/Asia/India?
guddu Posted February 25, 2003 Author Posted February 25, 2003 Re: Help for changing the description Thanks windharp and many thanks to you hutcheson for your helpful advice. I did not want it to be region specific. I just wanted to tell that the company is based in India because many people look for prospective business in India. Actually, now I have understood that I should not mention anything besides the main objective of the site. Can we have the description as: "ISO 9002 manufacturer of connectors, terminals and microswitches." If yes, please make the changes accordingly. Thanks & Regards
motsa Posted February 25, 2003 Posted February 25, 2003 Re: Help for changing the description Given that someone was likely to end up going in to change the current description of the site anyway, I went ahead and changed it per your suggestion (which is better than what was there). Ordinarily, you would be advised to do what you'd done in the past and submit an update request from that category page.
guddu Posted February 25, 2003 Author Posted February 25, 2003 Re: Help for changing the description Thanks. I really appreciate your help. It was a wonderful experience interacting with all of you. I will keep in mind all your suggestions before submitting any other website to DMOZ. Thanks again.
Meta hutcheson Posted February 25, 2003 Meta Posted February 25, 2003 Re: Help for changing the description BTW, I agree that the last description is not bad. You could also say something about what the web site contains...product catalog, online sales? My point about the regional listing is not _in place of_, but _in addition to_ the topical listing. Does the company hire employees? does the site give employment information? -- if so, then it has a distinct interest for _local_ job seekers, and ought also to be listed in a local category.
guddu Posted February 27, 2003 Author Posted February 27, 2003 Re: Help for changing the description Hi, I just checked my site in DMOZ and saw that the description is updated. "Essen Deinki - ISO 9002 manufacturer of connectors, terminals, and microswitches. Includes company background, product information, and contact details." Many thanks for such a nice description. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" /> "My point about the regional listing is not _in place of_, but _in addition to_ the topical listing ...." Do you mean that if the site is relevant for mutiple categories (but with a differnet approach), it can be submitted to all these categories. If yes then, Can we have deep links (inner links) of the site (related pages) or should we submit the home page only. The description should be same or different for all these categories. (I was facing one more problem. Actually when my site was accepted in the category in Jan, 2003, if you visit the category, it was being shown in the category but did not appeared in the search results if search for either by the title or keywords for about 15-20 days. I had not experienced the same with any of my previous submissions. Is this due to delay in DMOZ updation or is that DMOZ has changed its policy or so. I was very confused. Also, It is still not appearing in Google directory and others. Can you help me specifying an estimated time duration for their acceptance.) Please do reply I would be thankful. Regards
Guest hedgey42 Posted February 27, 2003 Posted February 27, 2003 Re: Help for changing the description Do you mean that if the site is relevant for mutiple categories (but with a differnet approach), it can be submitted to all these categories. No - this means if you're listed under the most appropriate topical category (which it appears you are) you can also submit your site to your city/locality's category in the Regional/ section of the directory, if you have a physical presence or contact address there. (If there's more than one location, submit to the locality your company's based in.) It looks like your main location is in Chandigarh - if that's the case, Regional/Asia/India/Chandigarh/Business_and_Economy/Industries/Manufacturing/ is the best match.
guddu Posted February 27, 2003 Author Posted February 27, 2003 Re: Help for changing the description Thanks for clearing the situation. But one point that remains still is whether the URL, title and the description should be the same or it can be different for different categories. please help me with search results also. Thanks & Regards
motsa Posted February 27, 2003 Posted February 27, 2003 Re: Help for changing the description Use the same URL, title, and description. There are sometimes differences in descriptions between a topical category and a Regional category (such as inclusion of the location in a topical description but removal of that location info from a Regional one) but in this case the description is appropriate for both.
Guest Posted February 27, 2003 Posted February 27, 2003 Re: Help for changing the description please help me with search results also. This problem was most probably related to search database issues. If you search for essendeinki.com your site comes up with the old description. Update of the search database depends on the update of the RDF dump.
guddu Posted February 28, 2003 Author Posted February 28, 2003 Re: Help for changing the description Thanks motsa. It helped me clear my doubts. Thanks to you senox for replying. My question was that after submission and acceptance of my site in Jan' 2003, it started showing search results in Feb' 2003. But as you said, this might be due to delay in updation. Update of the search database depends on the update of the RDF dump. While reading at webmasterworld, I found that we can view RDF dump at http://dmoz.org/rdf/ or http://rdf.dmoz.org/ But when I tried to view them, I could not understand them at all. Is there any specific technique used for this purpose. Also, Can you help me specify in how much time period, Google directory and others start taking up of DMOZ data. Thanks & Regards
Meta windharp Posted February 28, 2003 Meta Posted February 28, 2003 Re: Help for changing the description If you want to know the status you only need to view tags.html - thats the last status report. Should be "RDF pushed" :-) If you want to download the data you hasve to download the big file, unpack it (its zipped as you can see on the .gz filetype). Its plain text then. Curlie Meta/kMeta Editor windharp
guddu Posted February 28, 2003 Author Posted February 28, 2003 Re: Help for changing the description Thanks windharp. I understood that "RDF pushed" status reveals that an update has been made to DMOZ directory on the specified date. Is there any specific method to view whether a category has been updated or not. Or do we have to download the whole file and search for the category <Topic r:id="category name"> Also, In the tags.html file, I could not understand what it means by "structure kt-structure and netscape-structure" Similarly for "content kt-content and netscape-content" Does this mean that these are the categories that have been updated. Or there are more than these. What is the difference between these files. What I found was: "content" contains all sites starting from top (adult sites) "kt_content" contains information on sites listed in Kids & Teens section & subdirectories, "brasil_content" contains info on Top/World/Português/Regional/BrasilTop/World/Português/Regional/Brasil "netscape_content" contains Top/Netscape (but I could not find a similar category on DMOZ) and so on Are these files named after the categories to make them user_friendly. Also, Can you please help me specify in how much time period, Google directory and others start taking up of DMOZ data and can it be judged through RDF dumps. Sorry for such a long message. Thanks & Regards
Guest Cok Posted February 28, 2003 Posted February 28, 2003 Re: Help for changing the description I think you can found more info, and more on-topic in Using ODP data
Meta windharp Posted February 28, 2003 Meta Posted February 28, 2003 Re: Help for changing the description the normal data is in "content" The Kids&Teens directory is a bit special, it contains age tags and is prepared for restricted access by age groups. Thats why it is put into a seperate file "Netscape" files are not interesting for anyone but netscape, its a nonpublic part od the directory used by some versions of the netscape browser. At the moment there are no datafiles for parts of the directory, sorry. Only way to look when a category has been changed would be to look at the category itself, the "last change" date is at the bottom. For looking at categories, preferably use the mirror at http://ch.dmoz.org/ which is about a day behind but gives you a much better performance. (It is a "public side only" mirror so it does not interfere with editing) For the times downstream users need for updating their data: Thats not our concern, its fully up to them. We provide a new RDF dump every week (if no problems occur), they have to download it themselves. Even Google <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" /> Curlie Meta/kMeta Editor windharp
giz Posted February 28, 2003 Posted February 28, 2003 Re: Help for changing the description >> I understood that "RDF pushed" status reveals that an update has been made to DMOZ directory on the specified date. << No, not the directory updated, just the RDF file. The directory at dmoz.org is updated within minutes of each edit taking place. Once your site appears within a category, then you are in the directory. The RDF dump is usually produced about once per week. There were no RDF dumps in October, November or December of last year. The first one of 2003 was in early February and there have been four in total since then. Only when an RDF dump has been produced can all of the other sites using ODP data (of which, Google is just one of hundreds) update their directory listings. (However, there are some other sites that spider the ODP site and make their own listings from that, without using the RDF dump at all).
guddu Posted March 6, 2003 Author Posted March 6, 2003 Re: Help for changing the description Sorry for the delay in replying. Thanks Cok, for redirecting me to "Using ODP Data". I went through the discussions and found many face same problems while using ODP data. Many Thanks windharp for answering to my queries once again. Thanks for suggesting http://ch.dmoz.org/. This was a very clear explanation. I really appreciate. Thanks & Regards <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
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