Listings in several categories

[Ricardo Ramirez]

I found this site with several listings in different categories:

 

Brown Safe Manufacturing - Makes and sells gun safes.

-- http://www.brownsafe.com/gun_safe.html Shopping: Recreation: Guns: Accessories: Cabinets and Safes (22)

 

Brown Safe Manufacturing - Buy direct from U.S. factory. Safes and vaults for home and commercial use.

-- http://www.brownsafe.com/ Business: Business Services: Fire and Security: Security: Locks and Safes (75)

 

Brown Safe Manufacturing - Safes and vaults for home and commercial use. Offers product photos, company information, purchasing tips, warranty information, and FAQ.

-- http://www.brownsafe.com/ Regional: North America: United States: California: Localities: E: Escondido: Business and Economy: Industrial: Consumer Products (1)

 

I also found a dead link:

 

Drake Safe Company - Sells gun safes.

-- http://gunsafe.freeservers.com/ Shopping: Recreation: Guns: Accessories: Cabinets and Safes (22)

 

Could someone take care of this, Thanks

[Ricardo Ramirez]

found another site with several listings

 

 

Chubb - Fire protection services and products - Sales and service of fire alarm and security products and services, including fire and security monitoring, fire alarm and extinguishers, and locks and safes.UK division.

-- http://www.chubb.co.uk/fire Business: Industrial Goods and Services: Industrial Supply: Safety Equipment Supplies: Fire Protection (1)

 

Chubb Safes Ltd - Offer fire and burglary proof products. Company profile and contact information.

-- http://www.chubbsafes.co.uk Regional: Europe: United Kingdom: Business and Economy: Industries: Security: Products and Equipment: Locks and Safes (1)

 

Chubb Safes Ltd - Manufactures burglar resistant safes, strong rooms, and fire resistant cabinets for computer media and paper records.

-- http://www.chubbsafes.com/ Business: Business Services: Fire and Security: Security: Locks and Safes: Safe Manufacturers (1)

 

thanks, Rick

[Ricardo Ramirez]

found another site

 

 

Safeguard Safes - Supplier of hotel safes to the hotel industry world wide.

-- http://www.hotelsafes.net Business: Hospitality: Supplies and Equipment: Equipment (1)

 

Hotel Safes from Safeguard Safes. - Gives double security protection for valuables, important papers and most treasured possessions.

-- http://www.hotelsafes.net Business: Business Services: Fire and Security: Security: Locks and Safes (1)

[Alucard]

Ricardo,

 

Thanks for the interest and the willingness to help out - much appreciated!

 

However, it is perfectly legitimate for businesses to have more than one listing in the ODP. Especially one within the "Regional" tree and one elsewhere - usually in Business or Shopping. There are cases where there are even more than that. This is at the discretion of reviewing editors.

 

I have fixed the Drake Safe listing.

[Ricardo Ramirez]

Thanks for your prompt action.

[zhangziyicsc]

it is perfectly legitimate for businesses to have more than one listing in the ODP. Especially one within the "Regional" tree and one elsewhere - usually in Business or Shopping. There are cases where there are even more than that. This is at the discretion of reviewing editors.

Alucard, is it 'legitimate' for an editor to place his own website in 8 (yes, 8!) separate categories?

[motsa]

zhangziyicsc: You've already reported your concerns in your abuse reports. Please stop airing your grievances here as well.

[zhangziyicsc]

motsa, I'm just asking a question, not necessarily addressing a grievance. Maybe my assumption of the way the ODP works is wrong and it's 100% okay for all to have so many category submissions.

 

It's a fair question to enhance my own understanding. If it is indeed okay, then I too can proceed with multiple submissions.

[pvgool]

motsa, I'm just asking a question, not necessarily addressing a grievance. Maybe my assumption of the way the ODP works is wrong and it's 100% okay for all to have so many category submissions.

 

It's a fair question to enhance my own understanding. If it is indeed okay, then I too can proceed with multiple submissions.

Ofcourse it is OK to ask questions. It is just the way you are doing this which isn't seen as pleasant.

 

But, let me try to answer these questions. I can only give a general answer as we won't discuss individual sites at R-Z.

 

1) a website-owner is not allowed to suggest a site to more than 1 category

2) an editor may decide to list a site more than once

[zhangziyicsc]

Then please forgive my frustration. I certainly don't mean any disruption.

 

So, an editor 'can' list his site in multiple categories, even as many as 8 or more?

[spectregunner]

There are circumstances under which doing so might be appropriate; there are circumstances under which doing so might be abuse.

 

Since you have apparently already submitted an absure report, then you have done all that you can do.

[hutcheson]

>So, an editor 'can' list his site in multiple categories, even as many as 8 or more?

 

An editor CANNOT show favoritism to his site. That's considered abuse. And that would include multiple listings above the usual practice or above what he does with other sites.

 

Now, if a submitter or an editor abuses, we want to know about it -- that's what the abuse reports are for.

 

Note, I haven't looked at your particular abuse report. But as someone who's been accused of ruling the Portuguese hotel market with an iron hand (I am not making this up; I COULDN'T make this up!) I can confidently say that quite often, editors simply don't own what paranoid people think they own.

[zhangziyicsc]

>So, an editor 'can' list his site in multiple categories, even as many as 8 or more?

 

An editor CANNOT show favoritism to his site. That's considered abuse. And that would include multiple listings above the usual practice or above what he does with other sites.

 

Now, if a submitter or an editor abuses, we want to know about it -- that's what the abuse reports are for.

There seems to be a difference of opinion on this. I don't know what the diffference here is between an 'editor' and a 'moderator'. But I'm assuming what moderators say of the submission rules supercedes what editors say.

 

The following links clearly demonstrate that someone is showing intense 'favoritism' of one particular site that's listed within these 8 known categories...

 

http://search.dmoz.org/cgi-bin/search?search=helloziyi&all=yes&cs=UTF-8

 

and

 

http://dmoz.org/Arts/Performing_Arts/Acting/Actors_and_Actresses/Z/Ziyi,_Zhang/

 

Considering his site was just resubmitted to the latter link, it may not yet show in the former. In that case, there may be even more categories his site was recently submitted to that may not yet show in the former. I'm sure an investigation would show most if not all were submitted by the same editor. Yet, after several months, there's still an investigation.

 

 

Again, sorry if I'm being an irritant. It's just frustrating seeing the ODP being abused by a competitor, at the expense of my site and others. If it's okay for editors to do this, then I'll have no choice but to sign up to be an editor just to keep my own site viable, which I don't want to do because I know it's morally questionable. I just want fairness, that's all.

 

 

Unless someone has a specific question or seeks clarification of something I've said, I'll leave the issue be. I don't want to be the cause of any trouble. In the meantime, the 'investigation' goes on.........

[bobrat]

A senior editor has specifically looked at that site and individual pages and given guidelines about when they may be listed. It's similar [in some respects] to the fact that imdb.com - has over 9,000 listings in ODP

 

http://search.dmoz.org/cgi-bin/search?search=imdb.com

[zhangziyicsc]

Please, explain. And how does that IMDb link relate to this issue?

[Alucard]

There are some sites which editors (note editors) have decided is worthy of so-called "deep-linking" - this means that individual parts of the website will get listed.

 

This is usually done by editor concensus and they may, or may not be sites belonging to editors.

 

The sites are deemed to have enough broad interest that such multipleplistings improve the overall quality of the directory.

 

IMDB is one such site.

 

I hope this clarifies.

[zhangziyicsc]

Thank you for the clarafication. Does that deeplinking by editors apply to sites like mine and HelloZiyi (linked below)?

 

http://search.dmoz.org/cgi-bin/search?search=helloziyi&all=yes&cs=UTF-8

 

and

 

http://dmoz.org/Arts/Performing_Arts/Acting/Actors_and_Actresses/Z/Ziyi,_Zhang/

[motsa]

Note, I haven't looked at your particular abuse report.

I have. All of them. Had there been abuse in those listings, they would have been removed long before now as a result.

[zhangziyicsc]

If that's indeed so, then why is there still (months later) an ongoing investigation?

[Alucard]

Does that deeplinking by editors apply to sites like mine and HelloZiyi (linked below)?

If you see multiple listings of a site, file an abuse report, and those sites still exist after the resolution of the report, you can fairly safely assume that the editors have decided that the site deserves to be deeplinked.

 

You can not suggest that a site be deeplinked - you submit it once like any other site and, when editors review it, one of the things they look for is whether the site is worthy of deeplinking.

[zhangziyicsc]

I see. I just don't want to file a whole series of Abuse Reports. It just makes me look spiteful. I only want fairness. As an editor here, my competitor has a significant advantage and control over the life and death of my site and that of others -- all his competitors.

 

Clearly, I'm not one to just roll over and die.

[bobrat]

I think you have received reasonable answers, and you are perseverating in your quest. The next thing is that someone else will join this thread and say it's editor abuse that both of your links - http://csc.ziyi.org/filmography/flyingdaggers/index.html and http://csc.ziyi.org/ have listings in ODP, and it give you an uneven advantage over someone who only has one listing.

 

The bottom line is that multiple editors are aware of the sites and categories involved. And

my competitor has a significant advantage and control over the life and death of my site and that of others

is simply not true. You are the one who has the most control of your site, and as I stated in another thread, the fact that you failed to keep the site working, changed content, and had multiple URLs for the same content did more to jeopardize the site listings than anything anyone else did.

[zhangziyicsc]

bobrat, once again you're confusing yourself and the issue. I NEVER kept my site from working!

 

YOU ARE CONFUSED AND AGRIVATING THE SITUATION!

 

Thanks to the editor removing my link from the category where it belongs, I didn't have ANY listings. I already explained that's why I felt compelled to submit my site to the second category. I also explained early that I've been more than satisfied for YEARS having just ONE category. Now that the new editor's site has 8 categories gives his site a DISTINCT advantage.

 

How could anyone disagree?!

 

 

You insist on arguing with me on details that confuse you and ONLY YOU! I don't want to argue!

[motsa]

If that's indeed so, then why is there still (months later) an ongoing investigation?

Let's face it -- if it had been closed, you would have just filed another report and if that one was closed you would have filed another and so on (which is exactly what you did). So why bother closing it?

 

Now that the new editor's site has 8 categories gives his site a DISTINCT advantage.

You seriously need to get over the editor having 8 listings. Seriously.

[hutcheson]

Zhang, you're wrong, any reasonable person would be able to see it, and there is no point in arguing about it further. But you seem to be unable to stop arguing no matter how badly you want to. I am sorry about that, but I have to protect the forum.

 

Goodbye.