USA version of already submitted site

[disklabs]

I want to know if I can apply to be listed on the DMOZ for a domain that is similar to one already registered.

 

Currently, I have http://www.disklabs.com http://www.disklabs.nl, on the DMOZ, but have just agreed with a company over in the US to partner up with us. They have just registered http://www.disklabs-USA.com .

 

The site will be similar to that at Disklabs.com, but not the same. The site will also have different text, but will principally be 'Americanified'.

 

I want to get this domain listed on the DMOZ, however, I dont want to upset the editors, and I cant find where this rule is stipulated.

 

Simon

[motsa]

Don't submit disklabs-USA.com to the directory.

[disklabs]

Disklabs-USA submitting to the directory

 

Sorry to be a pain, but I am struggling to work out why we cant do that? We have a Disklabs.nl, and a Disklabs.com, so why not a Disklabs-usa.com?

 

Simon

[spectregunner]

Simple answer: It violates our rules. Your customers should be able to get to every one of your sites from a single entry point. How you do that is your responsibility. IIt is your decision to ahve multiple sites. That is fine with us, but it is NOT our obligation to list all of your sites.

[Callimachus]

I might add it also applies to http://www.disclabs.com and http://www.mobilephoneforensics.com

[giz]

Now will be exacty the right time to list here all of the others, because if we find any others submitted in the future, ones that were not declared here, then all listings are at risk of being removed.

 

Please list all domains that you own/control/design/do business as/relate to/etc:

[disklabs]

I have lots to do with many sites, some professionally, (disclabs.com - worked on because some-one else bought disc-lab.com, (which is going legal at the moment), disk-labs.com - same reason, mobilephoneforensics.com, steggles.com, 1ct.com, lakenaomirentalhome.com, holidayhomerental.co.uk . Some link to the others, but as you can see, they are not all related.

 

I am trying to seperate the different IT sites, making them specialist in what they do, so rather than having http://www.disklabs.com/mobile-phone-forensics.asp I am trying to get http://www.mobilephoneforensics.com listed, so that I can simply delete http://www.disklabs.com/mobile-phone-forensics.asp from Disklabs.com which is general storage based, and not a niche, and move it to its own arena. My company has several divisions, they are not necessarily similar to each other, therefore, I believe they all require their own domains.

 

Please dont think I am trying to beat the system, I am not. I simply want to ensure that I use it as effectively as possible. If I am doing anything inappropriately, please let me know, so that I can correct this.

 

Regards,

 

Simon

[pvgool]

Please dont think I am trying to beat the system, I am not. I simply want to ensure that I use it as effectively as possible. If I am doing anything inappropriately, please let me know, so that I can correct this.

You must decide yourself how to best run yiour company. So you aren't doing anything inappropriate. But we as DMOZ prefer to list a company only once. Only if you are active in very unrelated subjects we would consider a second listing. If you want visitors to find all your sites (and I see no reason you wouldn't want this to happen) you should link all sites to each other. Suggest your company site to DMOZ but not the sites about your different products.

[disklabs]

That sounds fair to me, though obviously isnt going to help me with my company websites optimising - that I understand is ofcourse my problem.

 

I do however have issues with my competitors who seem to be flouting this rule somewhat.

 

I want to make everything fair, but I dont want to snitch. What do I do?

 

Simon

[jimnoble]

I want to make everything fair, but I dont want to snitch. What do I do?

If you don't want to help us with quality control, nothing at all .

[disklabs]

Jim,

 

I want to help, however, I dont want to be black marked. Some of my competitors are on the sites so many times that I even thought that something fishy might be going on. I know that you didnt want to hear that, but if you want a list of some that I found, I can get it to you.

 

Simon

[motsa]

If you decide to do that, you can use our public abuse reporting system and a meta editor will investigate.

[disklabs]

Many thanks.

 

Simon

[disklabs]

Editors and Moderators,

 

I hope that here you will understand my frustration when it comes to the DMOZ. I do a bit of research, and find that many of our competitors abusing the DMOZ. Some of these have even submitted the same domain to different catagories to ensure they are more difficult to be picked up on. Domains such as http://www.ontrack.com , http://www.mjm.co.uk , http://www.ondata-uk.com , http://www.drivesavers.com , http://www.r-tt.com , http://www.stellarinfo.com , http://www.datarecoverygroup.com and http://www.dataclinic.co.uk all have the same domain submitted to different catagories. I have taken the liberty of listing them below.

 

I am very keen to find out your thoughts on this matter, and to know what will happen to them?

 

Regards,

 

Simon

 

 

Vogon - (a part of IBAS)

 

Vogon - .

-- http://www.vogon-data-conversion.com/ Computers: Data Formats: Conversion: Companies (1)

 

Vogon International - .

-- http://www.vogon-international.com/ Computers: Hardware: Storage: Data Recovery (1)

 

Vogon International Ltd - .

-- http://www.vogon-computer-evidence.co.uk/ Business: Business Services: Fire and Security: Security: Investigation: Investigators (1)

 

Vogon International, Ltd. - -- http://www.vogon.co.uk/ Society: Law: Services: Expert Witnesses: High Technology: Computers (1)

 

IBAS – recently bought Vogon

 

 

Norman Ibas Oy - -- http://www.norman-ibas.fi/ World: Suomi: Tietotekniikka: Tietoturva (2)

 

Ibas - Provider of data recovery, data erasure and computer forensics.

-- http://www.ibas.com/ Computers: Hardware: Storage: Data Recovery (1)

 

Ibas Hong Kong - Data Recovery and Data Erasure with Computer Forensics

-- http://www.ibas.com.hk/ Regional: Asia: Hong Kong: Business and Economy: Computers and Internet: Consultants (1)

 

Ibas - .

-- http://www.es.ibas.com/ World: Español: Países: España: Economía y negocios: Informática (1)

 

 

Kroll Ontrack Inc

 

Ontrack Data Advisor Diagnostic Software - -- http://www.ontrack.com/ Computers: Software: Diagnostics (1)

 

Kroll Ontrack Inc. - Electronic evidence discovery and computer forensics software and services. Electronic document collection, production and analysis.

-- http://www.krollontrack.com/ Computers: Consultants: Legal (1)

 

Ontrack Data Recovery UK - .

-- http://www.ontrack.co.uk Regional: Europe: United Kingdom: Business and Economy: Computers and Internet: Sales and Services: Recovery and Repair (1)

 

Ontrack Data International - -- http://www.ontrack.com Computers: Hardware: Storage: Data Recovery (1)

 

Ontrack - -- http://www.ontrack.com/ Society: Law: Services: Expert Witnesses: High Technology (1)

 

MBM Ontrack - .

-- http://www.mbm.com.pl World: Polska: Regionalne: Śląskie: Katowice: Biznes: Komputery i Internet (2)

 

Ontrack - Solutions pour récupérer des données perdues.

-- http://www.ontrack.fr/ World: Français: Informatique: Matériel: Maintenance (1)

 

Kroll Ontrack GmbH - -- http://www.ontrack.de/ World: Deutsch: Computer: Sicherheit: Datenrettung (1)

 

Kroll Ontrack Inc. - Electronic evidence discovery and computer forensics software and services. Electronic document collection, production and analysis.

-- http://www.krollontrack.com/ Regional: North America: United States: Minnesota: Localities: E: Eden Prairie: Business and Economy: Legal Services (1)

 

Kroll Ontrack - Propose des services de récupération de données et des logiciels d'auto-récupération. Présentation des produits, servies et partenariat. Chiasso, Tessin.

-- http://www.recuperationdedonnees.ch World: Français: Régional: Europe: Suisse: Commerce et économie: Informatique (1)

 

 

MJM

 

 

MjM Data Recovery Ltd - Professional data recovery from crashed, sabotaged and virus damaged disk media. Free diagnosis. Fast turnaround and emergency callout.

-- http://www.mjm.co.uk/ Regional: Europe: United Kingdom: England: Hertfordshire: Letchworth Garden City: Business and Economy (1)

 

MjM Data Recovery - Data recovery service for the UK and Europe.

-- http://datarecovery.mjm.co.uk/ Computers: Hardware: Storage: Data Recovery (1)

 

MjM Data Recovery Ltd - Data recovery solutions for data loss situations.

-- http://www.mjm.co.uk Regional: Europe: United Kingdom: Business and Economy: Computers and Internet: Sales and Services: Recovery and Repair (1)

 

On-data

 

Ondata International - Data recovery from hard drives and files, located in the UK.

-- http://www.ondata-uk.com Computers: Hardware: Storage: Data Recovery (1)

 

Ondata International - Data recovery from hard drives and files.

-- http://www.ondata-uk.com Regional: Europe: United Kingdom: England: London: Havering: Romford: Business and Economy (1)

 

CBLTech

 

CBL Data Recovery Technologies - Offering data recovery services for any media and any operating system.

-- http://www.cbltech.com/ Computers: Hardware: Storage: Data Recovery (1)

 

CBL Data Recovery and Raid Specialists - Data recovery services for failed raid systems, tape cartridges, hard drives, and related storage media. No data, no charge service guarantee.

-- http://www.cbltech.co.uk Regional: Europe: United Kingdom: Business and Economy: Computers and Internet: Sales and Services: Recovery and Repair (1)

 

CBL Data Recovery Technologies, Inc. - Provides data recovery services from failed hard drives, raid systems, tape cartridges and digital media. Offers a variety of services for businesses, government agencies, as well as individuals and includes emergency contact information.

-- http://www.cbltech.com.bb Regional: Caribbean: Barbados: Business and Economy: Computers and Internet (1)

 

CBL Technologies - Provides data recovery service. Includes list of services, contact info and company profile.

-- http://www.cbltech.com.sg/ Regional: Asia: Singapore: Business and Economy: Computers and Internet: Services (1)

 

CBL - Data recovery services for failed raid systems, servers, tape cartridges, and hard drives. Company profile, information on services, and contact details.

-- http://www.cbltech.com.au Regional: Oceania: Australia: Queensland: Localities: R: Redcliffe: Business and Economy (1)

 

CBL Data Recovery Technologies - Warranty-safe data recovery service provider for failed hard drives, raid arrays, and related storage media.

-- http://www.cbltech.ca/ Regional: North America: Canada: Ontario: Localities: M: Markham: Business and Economy: Computers and Internet (1)

 

Drivesavers.com

DriveSavers - Worldwide data recovery service for all operating systems and storage media. Authorized by all drive manufacturers.

-- http://www.drivesavers.com Computers: Hardware: Storage: Data Recovery (1)

 

DriveSavers - Worldwide data recovery service for operating systems and storage media. Contains company news and contact information.

-- http://www.drivesavers.com/ Regional: North America: United States: California: Localities: N: Novato: Business and Economy (1)

 

R-Tools

R-tools Technology Inc. - Disk management software including utilities for data recovery, drive imaging, disk wiping and access control.

-- http://www.r-tt.com/ Computers: Software: Disk Management (2)

 

R-tools Technology Inc. - Data and file recovery and undelete software for FAT, NTFS, Ext2FS file systems.

-- http://r-tt.com/ Computers: Software: Disk Management: Error Checking and Repair (1)

 

 

StellarInfo

 

 

Stellar - Data Recovery utilities, safe data and file eraser utility, and data recovery services.

-- http://www.stellarinfo.com/ Computers: Software: Disk Management: Error Checking and Repair (1)

 

Stellar Information Systems Ltd. - Provides data recovery softwares and services to recover data from hard disk drives that have been damaged or corrupted.

-- http://www.stellarinfo.com Regional: Asia: India: Business and Economy: Computers and Internet (1)

 

 

Datarecoverygroup

 

 

Data Recovery Group - .

-- http://www.datarecoverygroup.com Computers: Hardware: Storage: Data Recovery (1)

 

Data Recovery Group - -- http://www.datarecoverygroup.com/ Regional: North America: United States: Business and Economy: Computers and Internet (1)

 

DataClinic

 

Data Clinic Ltd. - Data recovery services and solutions.

-- http://www.dataclinic.co.uk Computers: Hardware: Storage: Data Recovery (1)

 

Data Clinic Ltd. - Provides computer data recovery, conversion, forensic services, and file backup to companies and individuals. Offices in London, Surrey, Hertfordshire, and Lancashire.

-- http://www.dataclinic.co.uk/ Regional: Europe: United Kingdom: Business and Economy: Computers and Internet: Sales and Services: Recovery and Repair (1)

 

Data Clinic Ltd. - Provides computer data recovery, conversion, forensic services, and file backup to companies and individuals. Additional offices in London, Surrey, Hertfordshire, and Lancashire.

-- http://www.dataclinic.co.uk/ Regional: Europe: United Kingdom: England: Manchester: Bury: Business and Economy: Computers and Internet (1)

[hutcheson]

Note that many businesses which have a "place of business" may be listed in both Regional and Topical categories. If your site qualifies, (that is, there is a location where people go to work to provide goods and services, and people come to obtain goods and services), then you may certainly submit twice -- that is a "standard exception" to the "one submittal per company/site" rule.

[disklabs]

Hutcheson,

 

I will submit my site to the relevant places now, (1 each for the Dutch site and the UK site), would I therefore be able to submit to the USA site too, as people do come to our premises to deliver data, watch a data recovery taking place etc?

 

Are any of the companies listed in the previous correspondance listed actually doing anything wrong, or am I just being paranoid?

 

Regards, and sincere thanks for clearing that up,

 

Simon

[hutcheson]

No, if the company has different locations in Europe, it may be listed once in Regional (at the Europe level. If the company has different locations worldwide, then a Regional listing isn't applicable, although listings in multiple languages may be.

[disklabs]

I have just looked through the list again, and some of the companies are flaunting these rules. What will be done?

[motsa]

Don't be concerned about other people. If there are problems with anything you posted, I'm sure someone will take care of it but it really is all irrelevent to your site.

[disklabs]

Motza,

 

I dont think that last comment is correct.

 

We work hard to try and get our site higher up in the rankings, but we all know that the DMOZ is a very influential power when it comes to Search Engine position. If a competitor has 3 listings for the same website, (there were several of them - see previous posts), they then have an unfair business advantage. This is why I am so concerned that my business is being penalised indirectly by the DMOZ.

 

No one has yet explained why some of the listed businesses have multiple listings, and no one has yet said what will happen to them, (will they only be able to list one site, will they be banned)? I am now still also unclear about which overseas sites I can include in the DMOZ, as the rules confuse. I can submit to a regional site, in the UK, but in Holland I can submit as the site is in Dutch, (this is positively encouraged), but I cant submit my new USA site, even to a USA regional directory? I have to be honest, this baffles the heck out of me. I will post a seperate post about this question.

 

I look forward to your comments.

 

Simon

[pvgool]

Everything you wrote about ranking and search engines is of no relevance to DMOZ.

 

A site may be suggested

- once in a topical category for each language

- once in a regional category for each language

For both ofcourse the site must fullfill the other requirments to be listed in such a category.

[motsa]

No one has yet explained why some of the listed businesses have multiple listings, and no one has yet said what will happen to them, (will they only be able to list one site, will they be banned)?

And no one will. As I said, if anything needs to be done, it will. But we're not going to discuss it here.

 

I am now still also unclear about which overseas sites I can include in the DMOZ, as the rules confuse. I can submit to a regional site, in the UK, but in Holland I can submit as the site is in Dutch, (this is positively encouraged), but I cant submit my new USA site, even to a USA regional directory? I have to be honest, this baffles the heck out of me. I will post a seperate post about this question.

Just submit the one URL to multiple languages. Don't worry about the Regional listings.

[hutcheson]

If you are confused about the nuances that editors are describing, then fall back on the clarity and simplicity of the submittal policy. Submit one site, once, to one category.

 

To review the nuances: a listing in, say, World/Nederlands is of no use to monolingual French speakers. So it would be helpful of you to suggest your site in a French-language category as well as a Dutch-language category (if it has content in each language.) This applies to as many languages as the site contains native content in, but NOT to computer-generated translations).

 

A site that is of special relevance to a particular area may be listed in Regional. This might be because a company has offices ONLY in a particular regional area (big or small: East End of London, or Belgium, or North America). It might be because a company ships mail-order products ONLY within a country or province. So you can help the editors by suggesting to the appropriate category. (This rule applies separately in each language that has the relevant regional categorization -- that is, probably not Danish or Catalan, possibly Dutch, probably French and Spanish, certainly English).

 

A site that represents the sole representation of a business may sometimes be listed once (usually in either Business or Shopping). This does not apply to all businesses: some kinds of very common, inherently local businesses are listed ONLY in regional.

 

Further complexities? If you can't understand these, then don't even try to go further. Leave those to the editors who DON'T worry about business advantage, so we can focus on the best way to build a directory for users (NOT for webmasters!)

[disklabs]

I agree with what you are syaying, but I believe that you are giving out differing messages. I have regional sites that can be listed because the Dutch site is obviously in Dutch, but the fact that we have an office opening in the US is irrelevant, even though the US office will only be dealing with the US, and therefore by definition is regional. I just dont get it?

 

Still people are abusing the system, but the response has been met with a 'leave it to us' barrage. I dont believe that this is dealing with the subject, and yes, as being a webmaster, I want the best for my sites, but I want to do it fairly. When I point out inaccuracies in the system, I am not been given a reasonable answer - I appear to be told to shut up and go away, leaving it to be 'dealt' with by you guys.

 

The sites I mentioned, are still on the directory, some sites have got 3 entries for the same URL. I believe that this is seriously breaching the DMOZ guidelines and ruining the integrity of the DMOZ.

 

 

Regards,

 

Simon

[motsa]

You've reported your concerns, both here and in your abuse report. Anything that is out of order will be dealt with but I'll repeat that it has nothing to do with your sites and you'd be best advised to let it go now that you've reported it. All you'll get for worrying about it is heartburn; it's not going to speed up the process or necessarily result in what you want.