Meta hutcheson Posted September 6, 2006 Meta Posted September 6, 2006 "Some sites are listed in minutes and some in months" ... It sounds like you still believe that the date of a site suggestion means something. And it doesn't. It absolutely means absolutely nothing. Not "it doesn't mean much." Not "it has only infinitesimal meaning". It means nothing. So long as you persist in trying to read some meaning into it, you'll remain divorced from reality. And I suspect that's a very unpleasant state to be in. >But lets say you are a new webmaster with no affiliations and no inbound links. Google will not just index your site. Let's not say that. Because I can't imagine who would care whether that were true or not. But if we said that, in all honesty we'd have to point out all the innumerable people who are eager to help a webmaster promote his site. Which, since it is also irrelevant here, might better go unsaid also.
chaz7979 Posted September 6, 2006 Posted September 6, 2006 You can look at this Google search http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&q=knowandcan If you want to analyze the google search results you need to search for something competitive. Not some obscure phrase like the one you show above. hutcheson you posted at the same time as me. I want to clear up that when I say "Some sites are listed in minutes and some in months" I am referring to google not DMOZ. "Let's not say that. Because I can't imagine who would care whether that were true or not." I was just trying to point out to the previous poster that a listing here can be very important. People care very much how true that is. People know how important a listing is here. If that were not the case do you think there would be corruption, manipulation, and people coming here to rant so much?
Editall Callimachus Posted September 6, 2006 Editall Posted September 6, 2006 But lets say you are a new webmaster with no affiliations and no inbound links. Google will not just index your site. This is not true. I created two new personal web sites this past spring, one for general writings and one hobby oriented. They had no inbound links except from each other and weren't submitted to ODP/DMOZ or indeed any other directory. I did however submit them to Google's search engine (not NOT the Google directory). Within the week Google had spidered both sites, and within 3 weeks they had gone from PR0 to PR4 and can be found easily in the first 1-2 pages of a search for their primary keywords. While I'm sure another quality listing or inbound link is of value, they are certainly not necessary for Google to recognize your existance. ODP Editor callimachus Any opinions expressed are my own, and do not represent an official opinion or communication from the ODP. Private messages asking for submission status or preferential treatment will be ignored.
chaz7979 Posted September 6, 2006 Posted September 6, 2006 This is not true. I created two new personal web sites this past spring, one for general writings and one hobby oriented. They had no inbound links except from each other and weren't submitted to ODP/DMOZ or indeed any other directory. I did however submit them to Google's search engine (not NOT the Google directory). Within the week Google had spidered both sites, and within 3 weeks they had gone from PR0 to PR4 and can be found easily in the first 1-2 pages of a search for their primary keywords. While I'm sure another quality listing or inbound link is of value, they are certainly not necessary for Google to recognize your existance. With all due respect you did not go from a PR0 to PR4 with no inbound links. That being said I am guessing whatever links you did get are the reason why you showed up in the first two pages within weeks. Getting indexed in a week or two is amazing, to then be a relevant listing within weeks with brand new sites is almost unheard of. Even when new sites are indexed they dont show up in SERPs for quite some time. Unless you have great inbound links. Which is probably the case since your site jumped from PR0 to PR4 in weeks. PR is based soley on inbound links... so for you to say you had none and the domains were brand new does not make any sense. All of this is probably better suited for an SEO forum.
Meta hutcheson Posted September 6, 2006 Meta Posted September 6, 2006 >If that were not the case do you think there would be corruption, manipulation, and people coming here to rant so much? Actually, yes, I think there would. People's actions are based on what they believe, not on what is true. And so long as the secret to Google success is hidden, we will have people fervently believing in all conceivable factors, from the phrases of the meta tags to the phases of the moon. And so long as some segment of the SERP perp pool believes the ODP is the secret to their success, then they'll be acting as if it actually were. Occasionally, we have someone here pursuing an ODP vendetta based on a belief that COULD be trivially disproved with a simple Google test search. But does that even slow them down? Not in my experience.
Budalata Posted September 6, 2006 Posted September 6, 2006 Please, see this http://www.quoteland.com/ PR 7. Not listed in ODP. How it is possible ? Let we stop this discussion
brmehlman Posted September 6, 2006 Posted September 6, 2006 All of this is probably better suited for an SEO forum. You are correct. This thread has drifted far off topic. Google's (or any other search engine's) algorithms are not of any relevance here. I am going to restate the answers given above to the original question, and close the thread. 1. Editors may be affiliated with or own web sites. 2. Editors may not edit in a way that favors their own sites or acts to the detriment of their competitors' sites. 3. If you suspect that an editor has done so, please use the "report abuse" link at the top of the category page or http://report-abuse.dmoz.org/
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