Guest vayafiestas Posted May 20, 2003 Posted May 20, 2003 After submitting our site www.GreatExpectation.Biz for months, how does one find out if our site has even been looked at?
Meta windharp Posted May 20, 2003 Meta Posted May 20, 2003 Re: Site Submission status of Web Site By asking here. :-) Please provide a clickable link to the category you submitted to, as stated in the forum guidelines. Curlie Meta/kMeta Editor windharp
Guest vayafiestas Posted May 20, 2003 Posted May 20, 2003 Re: Site Submission status of Web Site I would have before if I knew the path before tonight.I have chozen Shopping only because I did not see a Lingerie catgory which we would have preferred. Actually we would like to be in Shopping/Clothing/Undergarments/Lingerie/Fine. The site is Http://www.GreatExpectation.biz <img src="/images/icons/confused.gif" alt="" />
Guest Posted May 20, 2003 Posted May 20, 2003 Re: Site Submission status of Web Site Without the category we can only tell if a site has been edited already. At this point I can see no evidence of anyone having touched your site - neither listed, deleted, or moved. I would sugest that you resubmit to the *single most appropriate* topical category, bookmark both the category and this thread. and ask again here after a minimum of a month from the resubmission date. If you have a warehouse/shopfront/factory (somewhere I could walk into) at the address on the site it may possibly be appropriate for listing in the Regional part of the directory in Trumbull . If so you may submit there as well, it will not prejudice any listing in the topical section of the directory. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
Guest vayafiestas Posted May 20, 2003 Posted May 20, 2003 Re: Site Submission status of Web Site 1...As I previously stated Most of the time each month I would select Shopping as the catagory. It showed that DMOZ accepted the submission each time. I did one time select Shopping/Clothing/Undergarments/Lingerie/Fine. After several months I wrote to a member who suggested I come here tonite. 2...We do not have a physical store as of yet. 3...Can anyone tell me if you see that the site was indeed submitted several times?
Meta windharp Posted May 20, 2003 Meta Posted May 20, 2003 Re: Site Submission status of Web Site (Wonder if that was a clickabe link..) Anyway: I cant see a copy of the site waiting in the category you gave. Curlie Meta/kMeta Editor windharp
Guest vayafiestas Posted May 20, 2003 Posted May 20, 2003 Re: Site Submission status of Web Site I just submitted it again last night successfully. Why cant anyone see my submissions? <img src="/images/icons/confused.gif" alt="" />
Meta windharp Posted May 20, 2003 Meta Posted May 20, 2003 Re: Site Submission status of Web Site Exactly that URL to exactly that category? Otherwise we cant find it. I just looked in the category above the one you mentiones - cant find it there, too. One of the reasons to ask for a clickable link is btw. to exclude the "User submitted to a totally different directory" or "... total different category" issues :-) Curlie Meta/kMeta Editor windharp
motsa Posted May 20, 2003 Posted May 20, 2003 Re: Site Submission status of Web Site >>Most of the time each month I would select Shopping as the catagory. Well, you can't submit to top level Shopping (it won't let you) so you must have submitted somewhere under Shopping. However, you can't tell us where exactly you submitted except to say that once you submitted to Shopping/Clothing/Undergarments/Lingerie >>Why cant anyone see my submissions? Because (a) the site hasn't been touched by an editor at all yet (wherever it is) and (b) you can't tell us where all you submitted it. Since you can't tell us where you submitted it all those many times you submitted it, we have no way to look for it (we're not going to look in every half-way plausible category to see if it's there and it isn't in the one category you could remember). Are you sure you didn't get any errors when you submitted? [edited to add: honest! I started to write this before windharp posted -- it just took me a really long time because I also went and checked the Fine category, the Lingerie category, and even the Undergarments category to see if you were waiting in any of them -- and you're not. I, like windharp, can only conclude that you either got an error of some kind while submitting, submitted to other categories than you think you did, or were submitting somewhere other than the ODP. >>After several months I wrote to a member who suggested I come here tonite. A member of what? Do you mean an editor? Or a member of some group you belong to?]
Guest vayafiestas Posted May 20, 2003 Posted May 20, 2003 Re: Site Submission status of Web Site 1...Back in October, November I manually submitted to shopping/Clothing,Undergarments/Lingerie/Fine. Then I bought a Dynamic submitter program that only allows A "shopping" Catagory that it said each month - Successful submit. I last used it to submit 2 days ago. Is this program scamming me? <img src="/images/icons/confused.gif" alt="" /> If so can I submit again manually now even though I did this twice Last fall?
dfy Posted May 20, 2003 Posted May 20, 2003 Re: Site Submission status of Web Site If your auto-submission program only allows you to choose 'a random Shopping category', then it's not going to do you any favours. Throw it away and start again, by hand.
Guest vayafiestas Posted May 20, 2003 Posted May 20, 2003 Re: Site Submission status of Web Site I think you did not read my first sentence. "1...Back in October, November I manually submitted to shopping/Clothing,Undergarments/Lingerie/Fine. Then I bought the submitter program.
dfy Posted May 20, 2003 Posted May 20, 2003 Re: Site Submission status of Web Site I think you did not read windharp and motsa's sentences. Your submission is not in the queue for that category. You will have to submit it again, manually.
Meta kokopeli Posted May 20, 2003 Meta Posted May 20, 2003 Re: Site Submission status of Web Site I almost looked again in http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Clothing/Undergarments/Lingerie/ before reading that motsa already loaded a rather large queue to check if your site is waiting there and told you it is not. You do not mention manually resubmitting now, and you've already been told your submissions from October and November are not there. There is no point in looking until you resubmit. Those other submissions were never received in that category. Your site isn't in that queue, and it would show under editor notes when we look that it was deleted or moved if it had been, which motsa checked also. The only result is that it was never received there. I would resubmit manually as requested here above. I know nothing about the submittor program you are referring to, but as dfy pointed out--if it isn't letting you pick the one specific category that your site would belong in--then it is of no use and will be viewed as spam at some point.
Guest vayafiestas Posted May 21, 2003 Posted May 21, 2003 Re: Site Submission status of Web Site I did not want to resubmit again so soon as it might be considered spamming but I will trust that you guys know what you are doing,thanks
Meta kokopeli Posted May 21, 2003 Meta Posted May 21, 2003 Re: Site Submission status of Web Site At this point I'm not even seeing that it has been deleted from incorrect categories, so I can't even imagine where your computer program is submitting to at this point. Editors can't tell if a site is waiting in a queue, however, unless we know which queue to check. It is possible that program has it sitting in numerous places and no one will no about it until it shows that it has been deleted or moved. At this point, I wouldn't worry about resubmitting as spamming...however I wouldn't use that program in regards to DMOZ anymore. Hope that helps <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />
Guest vayafiestas Posted May 21, 2003 Posted May 21, 2003 Re: Site Submission status of Web Site Thanks for the advise. I just resubmitted our site Http://www.GreatExpectation.Biz again to catagory Shopping/Clothing/Undergarments/Lingerie/Fine How long will it take untill I know if anyone can see it?
Meta kokopeli Posted May 21, 2003 Meta Posted May 21, 2003 Re: Site Submission status of Web Site There are too many variables to answer that question. Editors are all volunteers, and no time frame is ever available.
Guest vayafiestas Posted May 21, 2003 Posted May 21, 2003 Re: Site Submission status of Web Site I am not talking about a review but if anyone can see if the site shows up in a que in that category. After submitting since October I would be happy if someone can at least see our site listed in a que.
lachenm Posted May 21, 2003 Posted May 21, 2003 Re: Site Submission status of Web Site I don't see it in the unreviewed pool in http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Clothing/Undergarments/Lingerie/Fine (note that we request clickable links to the category). Did you receive an error message when submitting?
Guest vayafiestas Posted May 21, 2003 Posted May 21, 2003 Re: Site Submission status of Web Site I tried it one last time thru my dynamic program it was successful so it said. I also just tried doing it manually on your site and here is what it says. Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@dmoz.org and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. Some days one can not win no matter what they do.
ettore Posted May 21, 2003 Posted May 21, 2003 Re: Site Submission status of Web Site Oh my... I added your site http://www.greatexpectation.biz/ in the unrevieweds queue of http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Clothing/Undergarments/Lingerie/Fine/ where it's now waiting for an editor to review it alongwith less than 100 other sites. Please notice that: a) I haven't had time to look at the site in depth, thus I only placed it in the unrevieweds queue: this means that an editor still has to review it, and doesn't mean that the site has been either accepted or rejected as of now -- it's just sitting there waiting, so that you don't have to worry anymore about errors/resubmissions/programs/etc.. b) We can't say how much it takes for an editor to review a site, no matter how many sites are there in the unreviewed queue. Time may vary. You can come back after a month (one month, 30 days from now) to ask for the status of your site. Please use this same thread for further questions (don't open a new thread). Personal note: throw away your automatic submission program. The SEs and directories worth a submission are probably a dozen, plus a few niche vortals of your choice, in all of which you will get much better results submitting by hand, once, and not resubmit every month or every once in a while (this is considered spam by most SEs).
Guest vayafiestas Posted May 22, 2003 Posted May 22, 2003 Re: Site Submission status of Web Site Hmmmm, I paid a lot for this program, which is one of the top three out there but your right about them not being that great. I write to them almost weekly complaining about something not working right,which they fix and sometimes I think I'm actually helping them develope it. Thanks for your help. I know there are only about 15-20 Great SE out there but this program has helped me optimize pages that I never would have known what to do otherwise. You said "you will get much better results submitting by hand, once, and not resubmit every month or every once in a while (this is considered spam by most SEs)". I thought that one had to submit each month or so to remain in their database and that it was not spam if it was a monthly submission.
Meta kokopeli Posted May 22, 2003 Meta Posted May 22, 2003 Re: Site Submission status of Web Site I thought that one had to submit each month or so to remain in their database and that it was not spam if it was a monthly submission. I can't speak for any other search engines you are submitting to, however--every time you resubmit to DMOZ in a category where you have a site pending in the queue you overwrite your previous submission, date and all, which then sends you to the bottom of the queue which could in theory make it impossible to get listed if the editor reviewing sites sorts by date and if the category receives a lot of submissions. If you were for instance listed and you continued to resubmit, it could be viewed as spam if you continued to submit to that category because then an editor has to continually delete a submission that serves no purpose. In addition, the error you received in submitting to us should be corrected soon--as the equipment DMOZ uses is being upgraded. <img src="/images/icons/tongue.gif" alt="" />
Meta hutcheson Posted May 22, 2003 Meta Posted May 22, 2003 Re: Site Submission status of Web Site >I thought that one had to submit each month or so to remain in their database and that it was not spam if it was a monthly submission. Wrong on both counts. 1) There isn't a single major SE for which you have to resubmit each month. 2) At one time, the first-generation search engines (Altavista, etc.) gave higher rank to "new" sites, and took a submission as evidence of "newness." (Note: this is NOT AT ALL the same thing as "not being kept in the database if you don't resubmit.") But affiliate-website-spammers discovered that they could use constant resubmission to get an artificially inflated position. And they all started doing it. As a result, Altavista was completely clogged with affiliate-marketing spam, and ... died. So when you say it's "not spam" you are dead wrong on at least two counts -- it was from the usual spam perpetrators for the usual spamming purposes, automated with constant virus-like changes to get around the recipient's spam-blocking procedures, and it was unwanted, even eventually fatally toxic, to the recipient. A lot of those same jerks that killed Altavista now find that their automatic scripts are of no value to promoting their own worthless sites (since Google came up with a way of negating that kind of spam, and Inktomi, Looksmart, etc., started charging real money for submissions) . So they spread the viscious lie that you heard, and sell their worthless services to people that fall for it through failure to keep abreast of the search engine technology. In a word, you have been conned by spammers. And it's odd you should mention that you were told it wasn't spam. Think about it. When you get an illegal, fraudulent chain-letter con by e-mail, what are the two things they ALWAYS explicitly tell you? 1) "I checked, and THIS IS PERFECTLY LEGAL" 2) This is NOT A CON, IT REALLY WORKS!" They will always explicitly make both points. Because, the fact is, they know it looks like an illegal con because it IS an illegal con, and they know they have to address that issue. And what did unsolicited commercial e-mails start saying a few months ago? "THIS IS NOT SPAM, it complies with Federal Regulation whatever." The fact is, it looked like spam because it was spam. And in these forums, whenever someone brings up the subject of their site being "not an affiliate" -- they think we've already figured out which program it's "NOT" an affiliate of. This is a general rule of life in an imperfect world. When you hear someone quacking "I am not a duck," you know not to expect water to adhere to their tail feathers.
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