Ok i mucked up :(

[TareeInternet]

Hello,

 

Just wondering what i should do, i submitted my site however in the process of having two browser windows open submitted to the wrong category.

 

I had 2 browsers open because i was "trying" to do a perfect submission, and was viewing the titles and descriptions of the other sites in the category. I was viewing the right category, but my submission window was wrong.

 

I submitted to:

 

Computers: Internet: Web Design and Development: Chats and Forums

 

However i should of submitted to:

 

Sites offering chats and forums along with other resources, such as tutorials, news, and code samples, will not be listed here and should instead be submitted to Computers/Internet/Web_Design_and_Development/Authoring/Webmaster_Resources.

 

I'm using vBulletin, and while anyone is welcome to post as a forum environment it also serves as a tutorial resource.

 

I've invested alot in the site and will continue to do so, and getting listed (although unlikely) is very important to me. I've taken alot of time writing original resources which is showing such as ranking No5 for "Speed up Office 2007" (96.7 Million results) and even No5 for "What is Dmoz".

 

So what do you think i should do to stand the best chance of being listed?

 

- Leave it for now, an editor may list it anyway.

- Submit again in the correct category, and risk being labelled a spammer?

 

If i have any chance of inclusion, i'd hate to mess it up due to doing the wrong thing... So any advice on what to do is very much appreciated.

 

I'm subscribed to this thread, Thanks again.

[jimnoble]

Just send it to the correct category. An explanatory note added to the description [like this] would be helpful.

 

You'll have to try a lot harder than making 2 listing suggestions to be labelled a spammer.

[TareeInternet]

Just send it to the correct category. An explanatory note added to the description [like this] would be helpful.

 

You'll have to try a lot harder than making 2 listing suggestions to be labelled a spammer.

 

Excellent, thanks for your reply Jim.

 

I submitted the main .com months ago, and today read a post on DigitalPoint by an editor saying it's ok to re-submit again or to another category if significant changes have been made.

 

Since my original submission, i have invested in vBulletin and have been compiling a free webmasters resource section which now comprises of about 95% of my sites 134 indexed pages and growing. This section also attracts some 98% of my search engine traffic so i felt this was significant enough to re-submit.

 

So... Today is my second time, which is why i was concerned about being rejected permanently.

 

When i send it to the correct category, do you suggest i write the sites description again or just include a [ note ] in it's place outlining where i mistakenly submitted it to?

 

Not sure how the back end works, so i don't know what you guys actually see. Last thing i want to do is cause a confusion with it, and stand no consideration for submission at all.

 

Thanks again Jim.

[crowbar]

Your attitude is refreshing, TareeInternet, I think you'll do well, .

 

I've invested alot in the site and will continue to do so, and getting listed (although unlikely) is very important to me.

 

I don't edit in that area of the Directory, but, every site suggestion has an equal chance of being accepted, it's a level playing field for everyone whether they're professionals or mom & pops. (which is one of the main things about the ODP that I really like)

 

The most important thing to have on any site is unique content for that particular category. Provide something that none of the other sites in that category have, and make it prominently visible so the editor can see it.

 

What we try to keep in mind is the value of a site to a web surfer looking for information, and whether a site adds value to a category.

 

That's my own view, opinion, and general advice. We don't preview sites in here, just try to give advice.

[TareeInternet]

Your attitude is refreshing, TareeInternet, I think you'll do well, .

 

Thankyou crowbar.

 

I'm a volunteer myself doing Road Crash Rescue in Australia, which is similar to a US Fireman so i know what it's like doing something because you want to. So the last thing i want to do is create more work for the editors, or appear to be spamming the directory by too many submissions.

 

If i don't get included this time around, i could handle that i'll just keep building a tutorial/script at a time until i have a better chance... But i would hate to do my dash for good.

[crowbar]

For some strange reason, I've never met an Aussie I didn't like, including our Australian editors.

 

By the way, if you happen to have a brick and mortar walkin business location, and an address on your site, you could also be listed in your locality (city), in the Regional section of the Directory.

http://dmoz.org/Regional/Oceania/Australia/Localities/

 

Once in a Topical category (if you qualify), and once in a Regional category (if you qualify).

[TareeInternet]

For some strange reason, I've never met an Aussie I didn't like, including our Australian editors.

 

By the way, if you happen to have a brick and mortar walkin business location, and an address on your site, you could also be listed in your locality (city), in the Regional section of the Directory.

http://dmoz.org/Regional/Oceania/Australia/Localities/

 

Thanks, we are a pretty easy going bunch down here with the kangaroo's

 

I do have a dual purpose bricks and mortar business location, i live above it. However i don't advertise it on the site mainly because the services i provide are worldwide and online based.

 

I advertise the business location in local media, but due to being a small town and the nature of the business it doesn't lend itself to much walk in traffic.

 

So i might pause on any other submissions for the time being, i'm still really edgy about todays episode and having to re-submit. :o

 

Do you think when i submit to the correct category i should re-include the description or just attach a note explaining where my original submission went?

 

Thanks for your help crowbar.

[jimnoble]

Please include a proposed description. If it complies with our editor guidelines, it might even get published as is. Sadly though, the huge majority have to be rewritten by an editor.

[WebMan2000]

Your attitude is refreshing, TareeInternet, I think you'll do well, .

 

Crowbar - I've read several posts from you and must say that you too are refreshing. You seem to have a good attitude, even when provoked. So this is my shout out to you. We appreciate it.

 

As cliche as it sounds, the saying about "catching more flys with honey than vinegar" sure seems to be true in most cases.

 

We are all just trying to make it through the many mazes of the www. Most are here because they want to promote their hard work, help others along the journey or maybe just kill time with some interesting reading. I've always believed in Karma and therefore will conduct myself with a decent attitude in hopes others will do the same.

[TareeInternet]

Ok done.

 

I included the proposed description, i kept it quite similar in length, capitalization and terminology to those allready listed while still making it my own.

 

Also attached the [Note] to it briefly explaining, after resource-zone advice i was relisting due to initial submission to the incorrect category.

 

I must say it's a bit of relief after the advice that everyone's given me that i won't get blacklisted for my 2 submissions in 1 day episode as i was pretty worried about that.

 

I guess now it's see how i go. The only thing that "may" let me down is although there's over 100 articles/tutorials because i've used vBulletin to deliver them it looks bare as people are so used to seeing 1,000s of posts on a board.

 

I could fill it with junk, but the search engine results show i'm on the right path by researching & writing each one as i'm page 1 for a stack of 50-100 Million result terms.

 

Thanks again Jim and Crowbar, after reading the boards for the last few hours i might submit myself for inclusion as editor in the near future when i know i've got the time to dedicate.

 

[motsa]

I must say it's a bit of relief after the advice that everyone's given me that i won't get blacklisted for my 2 submissions in 1 day episode as i was pretty worried about that.

Anyone who tells you that making 2 submissions in 1 day is going to get you blacklisted doesn't know what they're talking about.

[TareeInternet]

Anyone who tells you that making 2 submissions in 1 day is going to get you blacklisted doesn't know what they're talking about.

 

Thanks Motsa

 

Nobody told me that, however i have read of sites being blacklisted for spamming the directory and i was worried two in one day was pushing the friendship a little too far.

 

I've got other sites i wouldn't even waste the editors time by submitting, but this one is a different story. I could handle rejection, but having it banned from any chance of future inclusion because of my error would be most upsetting.

[crowbar]

Crowbar - I've read several posts from you and must say that you too are refreshing. You seem to have a good attitude, even when provoked. So this is my shout out to you. We appreciate it.

 

Well thanks, WebMan2000, but I'm a grump sometimes too, and the other editors that hang out in here know far more than I do. They just let me ramble on because they know I'm a yacker, .

 

Editors like myself come and go in here, they've been here steadfastly for years, and know how to boil down an answer to what's neccessary. I'm a bit long winded.

[mia]

Oops submitted sub URL

 

I just added my URL to the Dmoz submission page. Unfortunately I realised afterwards that my autofill software had changed the URL I had added to one that links to an article sub page on my website instead of the homepage URL. The content will still be relevant but I would like to know please if this will be a problem. If so what can I do if anything to let the editors know this is the case (or resubmit correctly). If its not important and wont be rejected on this basis shall I wait until it is submitted and then change the URL?

[TareeInternet]

I submitted a subpage as well ie site.com/forum as that's where the free resources are. Although it isn't a forum as such with members, i'm just using the software to power the knowledgebase.

 

Havn't been accepted, and in a way i'm starting to think doing that was a bad move. Will be a shame considering the days spent writing original articles, scripts and materials to help beginner/intermediate webmasters. There's others in the category with less or non-original content, so in linking direct to the useful resources i think will be my downfall.

 

I'm not an editor sorry, so just see what they say. I'm also curious if editors generally frown upon listing a subdirectory.

[crowbar]

Submitting a deeplink like that isn't usually a problem, the editor will see it as such and only list the main url. It will not affect your opportunity to be listed, if we feel the site suggestion will add value to a category.

 

We do list deeplinks, but that's normally an editors decision, depending on what the categories purpose is.

[TareeInternet]

Submitting a deeplink like that isn't usually a problem, the editor will see it as such and only list the main url. It will not affect your opportunity to be listed, if we feel the site suggestion will add value to a category.

 

We do list deeplinks, but that's normally an editors decision, depending on what the categories purpose is.

 

Hmm ok, thanks crowbar.

 

"the editor will see it as such and only list the main url."

 

That sort of throws a spanner in the works in my case, because the main URL has a slightly different scope then the resources which makes the category i submitted to not as relevant.

 

It's difficult to explain without listing the URL, but...

 

Main URL - I make & sell widgets, and about my services

Deeplink - Free articles, tutorials, tools and downloads on widgets

 

Visitors coming through my Dmoz listing will be looking for Widget information, and not really to buy a Widget.

 

I'm not concerned with being listed for the main URL, nor in any sales... But i would really love to be listed for the free resources i provide to people. This is where 98% of the visitors go, and these are the pages ranking #2 on 130 Million result keywords right after MS and other authority sites.

 

Oh well, if i get listed it's a bonus and if i don't hundreds of people will still pass through every day and find a solution to their problem etc.

 

Edit: And i don't care about PR from a Dmoz listing, as i do not and never will sell any form of advertising or text links on the site. Besides, all my major inner pages are PR4 anyway... and even noticed the other day the forum calendar is on a 3.

[crowbar]

I wouldn't worry about it, the editors know the categories. If a deeplink is appropriate, and the site is listable, most likely the deeplink will be listed.

 

There are many deeplinks in this category and it's subcats, because it's appropriate:

http://dmoz.org/Home/Gardening/Gardens/Water/

 

You'll notice that one of the two sites that have been cooled is a deeplink. The information is very helpful to someone who is new to the subject of water gardens and needs some quick, relevant information that's easy to find.

 

That's why I say our focus is on the web surfer and listing sites that they would find of value.

 

An editors personal knowledge of a topic gives him a good idea of what's valuable and what isn't. I'm not going to add every site I find on the subject, and I may even go through them all again, and get rid of a few.

 

Many of the personal sites in:

http://dmoz.org/Home/Gardening/Gardens/Water/Personal_Pages/

 

are deeplinks showing a persons own water garden/pond, which means it's very one of a kind, unique content that a web surfer would find interesting and helpful. They might not be very sophisticated sites, designwise, but the content is what's important, .

 

I have much more work to do on this category and its subcats, but part of our work is doing just that, figuring out how to make the category more valuable to the web surfer looking for this information, finding new sites, creating new sub categories, linking to other categories in other parts of the Directory where different information can be found, making sure the existing sites are there and working, editing titles and descriptions for compliance or spelling errors, ect.

 

That's the intent, when I have the time to concentrate on a single category, but I also edit everything within the United States, so I have wide permissions and many thousands of categories to edit in. Just to give you a little insight.

[TareeInternet]

That's why I say our focus is on the web surfer and listing sites that they would find of value.

 

Ok, that's what i was thinking when i submitted.

 

I noticed when i submitted also that there were other sub-cats and sub-pages listed. I just re-checked and nearly 50% of them are like this, some are even domain.com/sub/sub/random-page.html

 

Computers/Internet/Web_Design_and_Development/Authoring/Webmaster_Resources

 

I checked out the Water Gardens Personal Pages and yes i see what you mean, most are sub-pages.

 

I'm felling good about possible inclusion again, even my pet kangaroo just started bouncing! I even had an authority site in my niche that's PR7 permanently link to me on their homepage last week, fingers crossed Dmoz finds me just as worthy.

 

Now i'm caught up viewing the cool water gardens instead of working.

[crowbar]

I don't edit in that part of the Directory, so, I'm totally ignorant about comp stuff, but, a water garden is a great place to have a cold brewski, or share a glass of wine with the Mrs., should you be romantically inclined. I'm more the brewski type, .

 

I'm afraid if I saw a bouncing kangaroo here, I'd have to cut back on my consumption, .

[TareeInternet]

I don't edit in that part of the Directory, so, I'm totally ignorant about comp stuff, but, a water garden is a great place to have a cold brewski, or share a glass of wine with the Mrs., should you be romantically inclined. I'm more the brewski type, .

 

I'm afraid if I saw a bouncing kangaroo here, I'd have to cut back on my consumption, .

 

I can have a cold brewski, the Mrs can have a wine... But our house is above business premises, and the backyard is a cement carpark... So i would probably get locked up in the loony bin if i attempted to make a water garden out there.

 

Roll on November, then i can build this stuff without fear of an asylum. I don't have a kangaroo (used to) but they are in the wild around here.

[TareeInternet]

For some strange reason, I've never met an Aussie I didn't like, including our Australian editors.

 

By the way, if you happen to have a brick and mortar walkin business location, and an address on your site, you could also be listed in your locality (city), in the Regional section of the Directory.

http://dmoz.org/Regional/Oceania/Australia/Localities/

 

Once in a Topical category (if you qualify), and once in a Regional category (if you qualify).

 

I know this thread is old, but i did take your advice and list deep within my Locality for my Town/Business section that has only 4 other entries.

 

Is there any active editors for New South Wales? I think this section is "un-manned". Going back up the "tree" shows that "ziggi" edits New South Wales" but there's been no edits for the whole state in 4 months.

 

It just seems odd that a state with about 10 Million people hasn't produced a site that's listable in so long.

 

Or is there any where to see when an Editor last made an edit besides surfing all the categories to note the date changes?

 

The Category i submitted to has no date, but i'd say there's been no changes in 5 or more years.

 

Thanks.

[gimmster]

but there's been no edits for the whole state in 4 months.

Thats a misunderstanding, the fact that the edit date for the State level category has not changed is unsurprising, it's only changed when the specific category changes, and there are very few sites that do not belong in a sub category of some kind.

 

ie the date on http://www.dmoz.org/Regional/Oceania/Australia/New_South_Wales/ will only change when that specific category is edited in some way, not if any sub category is edited.

 

Is there any active editors for New South Wales?

From peronal sightings of edits in NSW, yes there are several. I edit there occasionally, but it's not somewhere I go out of my way for (except for update requests). Any editor that can edit in Australia, Oceania, Regional categories can edit in NSW, as can a couple of hundred Editalls and Metas, so it's not just the one named editor working there (in fact there are also some editors working below the state level as well).

 

Or is there any where to see when an Editor last made an edit

No.

 

The Category i submitted to has no date, but i'd say there's been no changes in 5 or more years.

The fact it has no date is an indication that no editing actions have occurred in that category snce the server crash. That means none this year, but it's a long bow to draw there have been no edits since 2002.

[TareeInternet]

Ahh ok Gotcha

 

I thought when a category was updated, the sub-categories listed underneath would indicate a change as the top or higher level had been modified.

 

Or is there any where to see when an Editor last made an edit.. No.

 

It was worth a shot, i went to the editors Dmoz page but though there may of been another URL with last activity.. Similar to vBulletin's last online feature. It would be handy, however after you pointing out there may be a few hundred editors that can edit that specific Category knowing the listed editors last activity would be a bit pointless.

 

The fact it has no date is an indication that no editing actions have occurred in that category snce the server crash. That means none this year, but it's a long bow to draw there have been no edits since 2002.

 

Possibly, however the whole section is just dead. For instance there's a dozen categories here for my area and out of the 12 different categories there's one lone site listed. That's for the Municipalities, and for the Regions (which is basically the same area) fares slightly better with a couple of listings.

 

I "know" there's a swag of great sites, businesses etc that i'm amazed arn't included. Even competitors sites i'll admit deserve to be listed, i might even suggest them as well to breathe some life in to the category's. Listings with broken images, swirly animated Gifs, iFrames and font you can't read is making our area look like we've just been weened of the Commodore 64 and on to a 168DX and upgrading to a 2400baud modem.

 

I guess there could of been an edit since 2002, it just seems like nothings changed.

 

Thanks for your reply Grimmster.

[gimmster]

For instance there's a dozen categories here for my area and out of the 12 different categories there's one lone site listed. That's for the Municipalities, and for the Regions (which is basically the same area) fares slightly better with a couple of listings.

 

This might help with uderstanding where sites go in Regional categories in general (there are some exceptions, but this covers the majority of sites)

 

In general sites are listed by the physical location of the business, not by coverage area or service area. This can be interpreted as follows:

 

> Sites with one location go in their Locality.

> Sites with multiple locations within a Municipality go at Municipal level.

> Sites with multiple locations in more than one Municipality, but within a Region go at Region level.

> Sites with multiple locations in more than one Region, but within a State go at State level.

> Sites with multiple locations in more than one State, but within a Country go at Country level.

 

As always there are exceptions to this, but this is a good basic guide. Getting it wrong won't be held against you (unless it's patently rediculous - think Tibetan travel agency suggesting the site to Ecuador).

 

DMOZ is a directory - and behaves like one, gradually refining what you are looking for. In the Regional branch, the refinement is by PLACE first, and TYPE second. (The Topical branches such as Business or Sports sort by TYPE first, then PLACE)

 

There should be a linking structure between the levels to aid navigation from State --> Region --> Municipality --> Locality and back up. In Australia, this is generally via By_Region By_Municipality or By_Locality subcategories which link down to the specific PLACE.

 

Since you point at a specific category

http://www.dmoz.org/Regional/Oceania/Australia/New_South_Wales/Municipalities/Greater_Taree_City/ lets go into the Localities sub category

 

This points to the existing categories within the Municipality

Firefly@ (2)

Hallidays Point@ (5)

Hannam Vale@ (3)

Harrington@ (0)

Johns River@ (2)

Old Bar@ (1)

Taree@ (30)

Tinonee@ (1)

Wallabi Point@ (0)

Wingham@ (5)

 

Choose the one that applies and click it. This link (variously known as an @link or symlink) will deliver you into the Locality level category. Once there then start using what topical subcategories exist to find the most appropriate.

 

Say for a Taree real estate agency - Business and Economy, then Real Estate. If the site was for a type of business that did not have an appropriate sub category (lets say a restaurant), suggest it to the next higher level (Business_and_Economy) and when there are a few an editor will create the appropriate sub category (Restaurants_and_Bars).

 

I realise this is way outside the scope of your question, but hope it will explain how sites are categorised.

 

I "know" there's a swag of great sites, businesses etc that i'm amazed arn't included. Even competitors sites i'll admit deserve to be listed, i might even suggest them as well to breathe some life in to the category's.

Seriously thats one of the best ways you can help with the directory as a non-editor.

 

Listings with broken images, swirly animated Gifs, iFrames and font you can't read is making our area look like we've just been weened of the Commodore 64 and on to a 168DX and upgrading to a 2400baud modem.

This is a bit more subjective than objective. The reason (or not) for listing a site is the unique content, not whether it has navigation from the swirly 'chase the menu hotspot with the mouse trail on' days. It's about what is readable and what it says. I don't know, for example, if the detail on the site in the category you pointed to is the only one with details of the cliffs and their difficulty. If there is a better one, please feel free to suggest it as either a second listing or an update to the existing listing.

 

BTW thre ain't no r in gimmster