Never get sites included ?

[mrix]

Hello all, I have tried for the past year to get a few sites listed but with no joy:( Some of the catagories I wish to be listed in are only small catagories and still no joy:confused:

I start to think is it not possible there maybe corrupt some editors who actually have there own sites in those catagories that see more listed as competition:icon_ques

Surely this must go on all the time?

Sorry just speaking my honest thoughts.

Cheers

mrix

[jimnoble]

You might have misunderstood our objectives and how we operate here. ODP is a volunteer organisation building a directory as a hobby. Editors edit where they wish, when they wish and as much as they wish within the constraints of their permissions. We have no schedules or systems to force people to do work that they don't volunteer to do. ODP is not primarily a free listing service for website owners and it does not attempt to process their listing suggestions within the time scales desired by them.

 

Some volunteers will process your listing suggestions in time but we can't predict who or when that might be. Elapsed times can range from a few days to a few years. There is no need to re-suggest your websites and doing so could be counter-productive because a later suggestion overwrites any earlier one.

 

Unevidenced accusations of widespread corruption are neither credible nor appreciated.

[makrhod]

People who repeatedly ignore the very clear instruction to suggest a site only once surely cannot be surprised if their actions are seen as spamming, with the inevitable result.

[mrix]

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I tend to wait months then try again. The thing is you dont really know if your site has been turned down, no one ever gets emailed.What is a time period you could recommend to resubmit etc?

cheers

mrix

[hutcheson]

If you've suggested one of your URLs at least twice, then two possibilities remain:

 

(1) 99% of the time--you've done all that would be helpful.

(2) 1% of the time--there might be something else you could do to help. But what might that be? We can't know: there's no practical way we can figure that out, with all the tools available to us. And so what information could we give YOU that would let you figure out what more you could do?

 

You're asking for something that doesn't exist, and probably can't exist.

[pvgool]

I tend to wait months then try again. The thing is you dont really know if your site has been turned down, no one ever gets emailed.What is a time period you could recommend to resubmit etc?

cheers

mrix

I don't understand your thoughts.

Why do you suggest a site every few months when it is clearly prohibited by the DMOZ guidelines.

 

If a sites is rejected suggesting it again won't make it listable, it will be turned down again. Suggest it often enough and you and all of your sites will be banned.

[magomags]

*nodding and nodding again* The moderators remarks are eye openers, but to get sites listed in DMOZ you have to offer an editor money.

 

Now, don't get in a huff and say that's not how it's done, because when I first found DMOZ many years ago I tried to get a website listed. I waited years and even today it's not listed, and it's still up and running.

 

I submitted another site and found out who edited the catagory I wanted to get in to. Gave them 20 bucks and it was listed the next day. So, really DMOZ is a paid placement directory.

 

Now, you say your editors are volunteers who can do as little or as much as they wish. But that's why DMOZ has become a big joke around the internet. SEO pros don't even consider it a resource since almost all of DMOZ is outdated and barely any new content is ever added. If you volunteered at a hospital once and stayed for an hour and then never came back could you really still say you were a hospital volunteer? I think a lot of your editors are like that.

 

DMOZ doesn't even mail you to let you know if your site is accepted or rejected. Really that's bad business no matter which way you go. And yeah, DMOZ isn't a business but the editors run it like it is. Money talks and BS walks. So they don't put in work unless they're getting paid to do it.

 

And reading through this forum I see that one of you confirmed the money idea indirectly.

 

(2) 1% of the time--there might be something else you could do to help. But what might that be? We can't know: there's no practical way we can figure that out, with all the tools available to us. And so what information could we give YOU that would let you figure out what more you could do?

 

You can say you didn't, but you did. But this forum from what I've seen is full of rude mods. Who wants to be part of a directory where people don't approve or disprove items, come in to approve or disprove items once in a blue moon and only if they have cash in hand? Sadly, this is the way things work and DMOZ is no different. The times have changed, but DMOZ hasn't. You may as well change "edited by humans" to "occasionally updated by humans... When we feel like it."

 

*laughs* And arguing with me doesn't work, because I don't revisit sites like these. (Dead sites)

 

But really getting your website listed in DMOZ means little or nothing anymore to search engines, because google stopped a couple years ago to giving higher PR to sites listed here. So, everyone can do themselves a big favor by not bothering, because you'll never be listed here unless you pay the editor of the category you want in to.

[motsa]

Congratulations on the lovely target you've just painted on your head for publicly declaring that you bribed an editor to list one of your sites.

[jimnoble]

<Waves to motsa from Turkey >

 

Jımnoble

On tour

[mrix]

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I think my main problem is that the catagory I wanted to sumbit my site to hasnt been edited for almost a year:confused:

Am I flogging a dead horse here:confused: what happens is editors never update their catagories?

Cheers all

mrix

[pvgool]

I think my main problem is that the catagory I wanted to sumbit my site to hasnt been edited for almost a year

No. It is a completely different problem.

The problem is that you do not understand what DMOZ is and how it operates.

You should start by reading the answers given to you and many other people on this forum, by reading the FAQ (link at the top of this page) and by reading the postings on the DMOZ blog

[hutcheson]

I think my main problem is that the catagory I wanted to sumbit my site to hasnt been edited for almost a year

 

You can't know how long it's been since an editor worked there. All you can know is how long it's been since an editor found out anything that justified a change in the category. It's not the same thing at all.

 

Most suggestions that have been made were of worthless sites -- 10s of millions of them, resulting in no change to the directory. Some suggestions were useful, resulting in a few million listings. Hundreds of thousands of suggestions are still waiting for review.

 

EVERYBODY'S main problem is spam. Spam wastes the editors' time, resulting in editors focusing on more productive activity. Spam hides good sites from surfers. Spam raises expenses and lowers effectiveness of genuine online presences.

[The Old Sarge]

EVERYBODY'S main problem is spam.

 

And IMO, the next biggest problem is that people that submit sites do not (perhaps cannot is a better word) read and follow the guidelines. Correcting their "mistakes" takes valuable time away from other editing.

[hutcheson]

mrix, have you actually searched for your site at dmoz.org?

 

Hint: just the domain name. For example, to find "example.com", then search for "example".

[mrix]

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I have searched yes but no joy... never mind all, I really appreciate the reply`s and your time though.

Can this thread be locked please as I dont really want to make anymore comments.

cheers all

all the best

mrix

[hutcheson]

Odd. I found it with no difficulty.

[mrix]

re:

 

What did you find:confused:

cheers

mrix

[pvgool]

I think he meant he found your site being listed in DMOZ.

[mrix]

re:

 

I havnt actually mentioned which site I was talking about as I didnt want to make it look like I was spamming these forum.

I am aware I already have a site listed.

Cheers

mrix

[hutcheson]

Usually that's the end of the matter. If you link all your sites together, then the ODP listing works for them all. And if you DON'T like to all your sites from your own sites, why would you expect some other site to link to any of them?

 

Those two cases cover well over 99% of all personal sites.

[mrix]

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Not sure where this is going:confused:

I have a few websites on totally different themes / Topics that I do not link together and are completely different:confused:

As they are of totally different topics I dont really want to link them.

So what you are sayng, if you have more than one website on totally different topics its not worth submiting them.

mrix?

[hutcheson]

The issue is complex and involves editorial judgment at several different levels: what's good for the surfer, what's necessary to protect the directory from abuse, what's helpful to the editors.

 

But generally where people are generating multiple websites "of their own", the more websites there are, the less likely ANY of them are to be listable, and the less likely ALL of them together are worthy of even ONE listing.

 

The public is usually best served by specialized focus and continuous effort. That's true even for medium-sized companies, how much more of individuals.

[mrix]

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If this infact is the case it would be useful to add this information to the application as it would have saved me around 4 years trying to get certain sites listed:(

Cheers

mrix

[jimnoble]

it would be useful to add this information to the application as it would have saved me around 4 years trying to get certain sites listed

It's already there. It's in our Submission Guidelines which you acknowledged that you'd read and agreed on several occasions during that 4 years. There's no point adding further info to the suggestion form if folks are in too much of a hurry to read what's already there. More haste, less speed .

[pvgool]

Sorry Jim, I have to disagree. The guidelines do not say anything about a person/company not being allowed so suggest more than one site they own when these sites are about different subjects. It only says not to suggest sites with the same or similar content as other sites.

If a person owns a site about their aquarium hobby, a site for their local skydiving club and a site were he runs his small company as a carpenter he can suggest all 3 to their best category and there is no need to link these 3 to each other (I think it would be a good idea to link them but it is not necessary).

 

Ofcourse we see a lot of people who own tens of sites (if not hundreds) that are totaly not listable. As hutcheson wrote 'But generally where people are generating multiple websites "of their own", the more websites there are, the less likely ANY of them are to be listable, and the less likely ALL of them together are worthy of even ONE listing.' These sites are not listable beacuse they are owned by the same person but because of their content, or to be more precise their lack of enough unique quality content.