sseage Posted April 12, 2010 Posted April 12, 2010 Like you. I decided to apply to a category I am very familiar with. It is a sub-category without editors. I too have been denied. The terse comment at the bottom of my letter said I was spamming, and do not apply again. My site along with selling paintings also sells picture frames, so I added a specific URL that pointed to my frame section in the Sub-Category of Picture Frames on DMOZ. That is hardly spamming! I answered all questions with honesty (that is the only way you know!). I listed my website, told them I maintain it etc. I was very up front with everything they asked me. I would like to be a part of DMOZ because it is a worthy endeavor, that is trying to keep the web as uncluttered as possible. It seems you need some help with this "Herculean" task. It's a shame your editor's won't accept help when it is offered, by people who have an obvious interest in a specific category. I tried emailing the category editor, but get a fatal error message when I submit the form.
Meta pvgool Posted April 12, 2010 Meta Posted April 12, 2010 Like you. I decided to apply to a category I am very familiar with. It is a sub-category without editors. I too have been denied. The terse comment at the bottom of my letter said I was spamming, and do not apply again. I did not look at you application so the following is only a general remark. It normaly means that the person has been spamming DMOZ with suggestions of the same website, deeplinks of a website or related websites. This is against the guidelines of DMOZ. Spamming DMOZ with suggestions can result in a ban for the person involved and all of his websites. Ofcourse people who have been spamming the directory are not welcome as an editor. I tried emailing the category editor, but get a fatal error message when I submit the form. That error is explained on this forum. The email will have reached the editor. Not that it will be of any use. Editor applications are only reviewed by Meta and CatMod editors. And we advise editors not to answers emails asking about the website of the person emailing. I will not answer PM or emails send to me. If you have anything to ask please use the forum.
jimnoble Posted April 12, 2010 Posted April 12, 2010 That is hardly spamming! 112 deeplink listing suggestions most assuredly is spamming - particularly when the root URL was already listed.
sseage Posted April 12, 2010 Author Posted April 12, 2010 112 deeplink listing suggestions most assuredly is spamming - particularly when the root URL was already listed. So what am I to do then? How can I list my frames in your picture frame section for those people who are only interested in buying frames and not interested in buying paintings.
sseage Posted April 12, 2010 Author Posted April 12, 2010 I did not look at you application so the following is only a general remark. It normaly means that the person has been spamming DMOZ with suggestions of the same website, deeplinks of a website or related websites. This is against the guidelines of DMOZ. Spamming DMOZ with suggestions can result in a ban for the person involved and all of his websites. Ofcourse people who have been spamming the directory are not welcome as an editor. All I was trying to do was get the frames part of my site listed separately. For those people who want picture frames will not go to painting reproductions to look for frames. If this indeed spamming then of course that was my mistake, but it was just that, a mistake and not intentional. I have no wish to spam. As I said before I would like to be a part of DMOZ, I feel my contribution would be helpful. Is it possible to be reconsidered in a situation like this?
sseage Posted April 12, 2010 Author Posted April 12, 2010 The short answer is "You can't." Do you not think that a little constricting?. Do you not think there is room there for a little expansion and updating of the "suggest a URL form", for sites that sell more than one type of product to be able to link to another sub-category of DMOZ as long as the URL goes directly to that part of the site selling the product listed in the sub-category - in this case picture frames. I am only asking, so please be polite in your response. Thank you.
Meta pvgool Posted April 12, 2010 Meta Posted April 12, 2010 Do you not think that a little constricting?. Do you not think there is room there for a little expansion and updating of the "suggest a URL form", for sites that sell more than one type of product to be able to link to another sub-category of DMOZ as long as the URL goes directly to that part of the site selling the product listed in the sub-category - in this case picture frames. No, we certainly do not think it is a good idea to accept such deeplinks. I will not answer PM or emails send to me. If you have anything to ask please use the forum.
sseage Posted April 12, 2010 Author Posted April 12, 2010 No, we certainly do not think it is a good idea to accept such deeplinks. Again, I absolutely do not want to be pushy but... is one step down from the home page considered a deep link? I am just trying to understand this, I am not being argumentative. And, Regarding my being denied, I see now that it probably was because of the fact that I tried to add my frames to a different section of DMOZ, how can we sort this mess out. It really was unintentional.
jimnoble Posted April 12, 2010 Posted April 12, 2010 how can we sort this mess out. It really was unintentional. It isn't a mess and your actions were entirely intentional. I suggest that you live with their consequences.
Meta pvgool Posted April 12, 2010 Meta Posted April 12, 2010 For a website with its own domainname anything except the mainurl is a deeplink. DMOZ even sometimes classifies parts of a website hosted on a different domain as a deeplink (a 2nd website that behaves as if it is part of another website). > It really was unintentional. I realy can not see how 112 deeplink listing suggestions are unintentional. Each time you made a suggestion you confirmed to have read and understand the DMOZ guidelines. I will not answer PM or emails send to me. If you have anything to ask please use the forum.
sseage Posted April 12, 2010 Author Posted April 12, 2010 For a website with its own domainname anything except the mainurl is a deeplink. DMOZ even sometimes classifies parts of a website hosted on a different domain as a deeplink (a 2nd website that behaves as if it is part of another website). > It really was unintentional. I realy can not see how 112 deeplink listing suggestions are unintentional. Each time you made a suggestion you confirmed to have read and understand the DMOZ guidelines. PVGOOL. Thank you for being civil with your answer. I appreciate your taking time to explain that anything more than the main url is regarded as a deeplink. It is obvious I made a mistake by trying to add another part of my site, to another category of DMOZ. Regardless of what JIMNOBLE says, I really did not think I was spamming. I only wanted to show 1 other part of my site under a different category in DMOZ that was appropriate to that part of my site. Only that. Maybe I should have read the DMOZ guidlines, before confirming that I had read and understood them, but, I confess, I didn't.
sseage Posted April 12, 2010 Author Posted April 12, 2010 It isn't a mess and your actions were entirely intentional. I suggest that you live with their consequences. JIMNOBLE: You presume to much, Sir!, You do not know me, do not presume that you do. Your "snippy" remarks are completely unwarrented and uncalled for. If being an Editor of DMOZ can make a person this jaded then you can keep it.
motsa Posted April 12, 2010 Posted April 12, 2010 Do you not think that a little constricting?. Do you not think there is room there for a little expansion and updating of the "suggest a URL form", for sites that sell more than one type of product to be able to link to another sub-category of DMOZ as long as the URL goes directly to that part of the site selling the product listed in the sub-category - in this case picture frames. I am only asking, so please be polite in your response. Thank you.Not for the category you're talking about and not for the situation you're talking about. While we can and do list multiple deeplinks for a site on ocassion, it wouldn't be to list the frames section of someone's shopping site in addition to their main art site.
motsa Posted April 12, 2010 Posted April 12, 2010 Again, I absolutely do not want to be pushy but... is one step down from the home page considered a deep link? I am just trying to understand this, I am not being argumentative.Anything that isn't the root of the site is a deeplink. And, Regarding my being denied, I see now that it probably was because of the fact that I tried to add my frames to a different section of DMOZ, how can we sort this mess out. It really was unintentional. Reread the previous. You'll see that it wasn't the suggesting of a single deeplink that is the issue, it's the 112 deeplinks that were suggested in total that are the issue.
motsa Posted April 12, 2010 Posted April 12, 2010 JIMNOBLE: You presume to much, Sir!, You do not know me, do not presume that you do. Your "snippy" remarks are completely unwarrented and uncalled for. If being an Editor of DMOZ can make a person this jaded then you can keep it.Jimnoble's point was that you can't possibly submit 112 deeplinks of a site without it being intentional. And that's a pretty aggregious bit of spamming. If you had only ever submitted the frames section deeplink, we wouldn't be having this discussion because it wouldn't have affected your editor application. As for "sorting out this mess", from our point of view there's really no mess to sort out. Unfortunately, you suffer the consequences for your past failure to read and follow the guidelines that you'd attested you'd read. Reading and following the guidelines is critical to being an editor and so that failure is critical.
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