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apartmentguy Newbie

apartmentguy

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mirrors, dead links, wrong catagories, etc...

 

With all do respect to the editors, this category is grossly out-dated and has several violations of the guidelines. As I was once an editor in the very early days of ODP, I understand the challenges and appreciate the editors for the job they do.

 

I've been trying to get my web site RentersInc.com in here for close to a year and to see these web sites in here ... well it's just not right in my humble opinion.

 

The rent.com clones (affiliate sites) seem to be the biggest problem. If you search deep enough in these sites, you will always end up on rent.com.

 

Thank you for your consideration.

 

Catagory: http://www.dmoz.org/Regional/North_America/United_States/Business_and_Economy/Real_Estate/Rentals/

 

http://www.affordablehousingonline.com/ (Rent.com clone)

http://tempapts.com/ (New York Only - belongs in regional)

http://www.apartmentworld.com/ (Rent.com clone)

http://www.apartmentrelocation.com/ (Not a valid URL points to a different site)

http://www.apartmentsusa.com (Rent.com clone)

http://www.123aptsearch.com/ (Rent.com clone)

http://www.easyroommate.com/ (wrong catagory)

http://www.moveonin.com/ (Apartmentsource.com clone)

http://www.nationalroommates.com/ (wrong catagory)

http://www.open-house-online.com (a1-rentals.com doorway page)

http://www.places4rent.com/ (regurgitated listings from rent.com and apartments.com)

http://www.rentmyhome.com/ (dead link)

http://www.roommates.com/ (wrong catagory)

http://www.seeit.com/ (no original content, list of google ads)

http://www.ushousing.com (affiliate of several sites. no original content)

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Ricardo Ramirez Newbie

Ricardo Ramirez

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Dead link

 

Hi, I being trying to post my site in a certain category, I also read that in some categories it would take a few weeks to 3 years before an editor could view a request. That gives me plenty of time to help out a little, I found a dead link in the following category:

 

Shopping/Recreation/Guns/Accessories/Cabinets and Safes

 

Drake Safe Company-Sells Gun Safes

 

When you click on this link it takes you to http://gunsafe.freeservers.com

 

and it says "This website has moved, its new address is http://gunsafe.topcities.com/ "

 

ones you click on the new address it says:

 

Oops..... The page you are looking for cannot be found.

 

Thank you, Rick

glynos63 Newbie

glynos63

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Hi Alucard,

 

Another coincidence on the same category by the same company with the same mirrored site :)

 

Title: Car Hire Guide

URL: http://www.carhire-guide.gr/

Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Greece/Transportation/Car_Rentals/

 

Title: Rentacar-guide.gr

URL: http://www.rentacar-guide.gr/

Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Greece/Transportation/Car_Rentals/

 

Did this company try to abuse ODP and the anonymous surfer? yes IMO

glynos63 Newbie

glynos63

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Title: Harry's Athens Greece Guide

URL: http://www.harrys-athens-greece-guide.com/

Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Greece/Prefectures/Attica/Travel_and_Tourism/Travel_Guides/

 

Title: Harry's Greece Travel Guide - can you find this title anywhere on the site or the URL?

URL: http://www.greeceathensaegeaninfo.com/

Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Greece/Travel_and_Tourism/Travel_Guides/

 

Title: Ikaria Island

URL: http://www.island-ikaria.com/

Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Greece/Prefectures/Samos/Ikaria/

 

He is a famous search engine abuser but I don't know if he is famous to ODP as well :) . FYI here are the other sites of him I found and you may find submitted to ODP soon:

 

http://www.greek-islands-santorini-greece.com/

http://www.greek-travel-discounted-hotels-guide.com/

http://www.harrys-60-greek-islands-guide.com/

http://www.sailgreece.net/

http://www.greek-islands-travel-ferry-schedules.com/

http://athens-greece-guide.tripod.com/

http://www.greek-islands-mykonos-myconos-greece.com/

http://www.santorini-greece-weddings-honeymoons-planner.com/

Alucard Newbie

Alucard

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#1403 is now one listing less.

 

#1405, #1406 and #1407 dealt with.

 

Note: There is some major automated rebuilding of the public pages going on right now - changes may take a while to apepar on the pages.

 

Thank you to everyone who is helping! :)

Alucard Newbie

Alucard

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Note for editors:

 

Currently outstanding requests (hopefully I didn't miss anything)

1364 through 1368

1373

1378

1384

1385 has been partly resolved but needs more work (see #1393)

1386

1389, 1390

1391 has been fixed for 2 keywords

1398

1400 through 1402

1404

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andysands Newbie

andysands

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#1364-1368, and #1373 were dealt with by another editor.

#1378 - site listings in regional and topical are mutually exclusive. The regional listing appears okay to me. We have decided that ferries.gr is the mirror (vanity url) and are using the Paleologos url since that is the name of the company from what we can tell. The ferries.gr listings are gone though.

#1386 - Tried to install an activex control on my computer and was blocked - is this what was being referred to? The site seems to load okay.

#1389 - Has been unreviewed by our linkchecker robot since time of posting

#1390 - done :)

 

STILL OUTSTANDING (From list in 1409 and subsequent additions)

 

1331

1384

1385 has been partly resolved but needs more work (see #1393)

1391 has been fixed for 2 keywords

1398 - not sure if anything still needs doing here - alucard said he'd looked at taxi thing

1400 through 1402

1404

1413

glynos63 Newbie

glynos63

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#1378 - site listings in regional and topical are mutually exclusive. The regional listing appears okay to me. We have decided that ferries.gr is the mirror (vanity url) and are using the Paleologos url since that is the name of the company from what we can tell. The ferries.gr listings are gone though.

 

Hi andysands,

 

I agree that Paleologos is the real owner of the domains. IMO the listing at http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Greece/Transportation/Maritime/Sea_Lines/Ferries/ should be removed since Paleologos is not a sea line or ferry company but a travel agency affiliated with http://www.forthcrs.gr. IMO that category is reserved for maritime companies that operate ferry boats.

 

Paleologos is a local travel agency in Heraklion of Crete island and its category should be http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Greece/Prefectures/Heraklion/Travel_and_Tourism/Travel_Services/Travel_Agents/

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andysands Newbie

andysands

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Hi glynos

 

re: #1412 - upon reviewing the site I agree with your reasoning - it does appear to be a local travel agency that is using ForthNet's electronic ferry booking service. I've relocated the site as suggested,

 

Thanks for all your hard work on investigating travel affiliate abuse, we'll get through the backlog in the end - sorry for the delay though, this stuff takes time to review.

 

Kind Regards,

 

Andy

Alucard Newbie

Alucard

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More info, please.

 

Re: #1400 I have dealt with two of them. But I have a question about the third.

 

Could you please PM me with how you came to the conclusion that corfutoday and hotels-corfu.net are the same company? Apart from cross-linking, I need a little more evidence than that.

 

This one has taken me a long while to examine - I actually found a whole nest of sites that the hotels-corfu.net company owns and some were listed in the ODP. note the "were".

 

So please PM me the extra information so I can wrap up that item.

 

Thanks.

glynos63 Newbie

glynos63

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You can check this company's sites at http://www.marinet.gr/travelguides/domains.php

 

I found the following sites listed on ODP although there may be more.

 

Title: Travel-To-Arachova.com

URL: http://www.travel-to-arachova.com/

Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Greece/Prefectures/Fokis/Guides_and_Directories/

 

 

Title: Travel to Pelion

URL: http://www.travel-to-pelion.com/

Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Greece/Prefectures/Magnesia/Pelion/Guides_and_Directories/

 

 

Title: NetYachts

URL: http://www.netyachts.gr/

Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Greece/Recreation_and_Sports/Boating/

 

 

Title: Greece Yachting

URL: http://www.greece-yachting.com/

Category: http://dmoz.org/Recreation/Boating/Directories/Europe/

 

 

Title: Marinet

URL: http://www.marinet.gr/

Category: http://dmoz.org/Business/Transportation_and_Logistics/Maritime/Directories/Directories_and_Databases/

 

 

Sorry for the overload :)

 

Dimitris

glynos63 Newbie

glynos63

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Title: Hellas Ferries

URL: http://www.hellasferries.gr/

Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Greece/Transportation/Maritime/Sea_Lines/Ferries/

 

Like paleologos.gr at #1378, this site is an affiliate of http://www.forthcrs.gr and not a maritime or ferry company. It is operated by the same company that operates the following site:

 

Title: Hellas Guide

URL: http://www.hellas-guide.com

Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Greece/Travel_and_Tourism/Travel_Guides/

 

Another question is whether both sites should be listed on ODP since information about ferries is related to travel.

htdawg Newbie

htdawg

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The sites you mention from united hellas have been in odp for years and they link back to the index page by default if they are discontinued, others have moved up to having their own domain but have not benn updated in the directory. as for some of the descriptions of the sites listed they were done by odp editors, for example greek-hotels.com offers exactly what it states.I dont think it could be called "spammy" at all. I think you are being a little over zealous in your work. as for the company's area of work they are a web design & internet advertising agency.

Next time do a little more (correct) research when you try to discredit a company's reputation by labeling them spammers.

glynos63 Newbie

glynos63

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Hi htdawg, firstly some quick notes:

 

The sites you mention from united hellas have been in odp for years and they link back to the index page by default if they are discontinued, others have moved up to having their own domain but have not benn updated in the directory.

I thought so as well but this is NOT what I considered spam and you should already know that.

 

as for some of the descriptions of the sites listed they were done by odp editors, for example greek-hotels.com offers exactly what it states. I dont think it could be called "spammy" at all.

 

Site: Greek-Hotels.com

 

Description: Greek hotels, hotels apartments studios in greece, hotels in greek islands

 

You are an ODP editor and you din't find this description spammy? :eek: I have no further comment.

 

I think you are being a little over zealous in your work.

 

Maybe I am. The reason is that I cannot compete fairly with companies like United Hellas that abuse ODP. So I will keep being zealous in my effort to inform ODP of spammers like United Hellas. :)

 

as for the company's area of work they are a web design & internet advertising agency.

Do you know any web design company that does not offer internet advertising services as well? :eek:

 

If United Hellas' listing on the Advertising category is correct then all the web design agencies should be listed there as well.

 

Next time do a little more (correct) research when you try to discredit a company's reputation by labeling them spammers.

 

Next time explain why you didn't comment on all my other arguements that made me label United Hellas as spammer. They were the most important spammy actions, not the ones you described!

 

It's very disappointing that an ODP editor does not consider spammy and doesn't even comment on the following listings:

 

The same company has developed Greek-Hotels.com at http://www.greek-hotels.com/

 

A simple search on ODP at http://search.dmoz.org/cgi-bin/sear...reek-hotels.com will give you easy-to-read results.

 

6 out of 8 listings are redirecting... and

 

Site: Greek-Hotels.com

 

Description: Greek hotels, hotels apartments studios in greece, hotels in greek islands

 

URL: http://www.greek-hotels.com/

 

Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Gre...Lodging_Guides/

 

&

 

Site: Hellenic Nationwide Hotel Directory

 

Description: Information about hotels, studios, villas, bungalows, suites, apartments, pensions and lodging in Greece.

 

URL: http://www.greek-hotels.com/welcome.html

 

Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Gre...Lodging_Guides/

 

and the above 2 listings - are on the SAME category as you can read above! Please note the descriptions of both listings and wonder if they look spammy as well.

 

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The same company has developed All Hotels in Greece at http://www.all-hotels-in-greece.com/

 

This site has "only" 2 listings on ODP at http://search.dmoz.org/cgi-bin/sear...s-in-greece.com

 

The one is on the same category that the same company has 2 more listings (!) and the other is a deep link with no unique content, just simple hotel listings.

 

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The same company has developed 1hellas.com at http://www.1hellas.com/

 

This site has "only" one listing on ODP at http://search.dmoz.org/cgi-bin/sear...rch=1hellas.com

 

Site: 1Hellas.com

 

URL: http://www.1hellas.com/

 

Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Gre.../Travel_Guides/

 

This is on the same category that the same company has one more listing!

 

Do you think that United Hellas didn't know ODP rules when submitted those listings?

 

FYI the following text is copied from their home page at http://www.united-online.net:

 

From this website you may find out about our services and how you can benefit from marketing your products through http://www.united-hellas.com, http://www.greek-hotels.com and http://www.all-hotels-in-greece.com.

These vortals (market specific web sites) are unique in their respective fields in that they offer ultra high visibility and placement in all major international search engines and indexing portals.

 

Next time I suggest that you don't try to prove that the earth is not moving. Sometimes doing some self-criticism is really useful.

 

Sincerely

Dimitris

 

PS1- I noticed that you are an existing ODP editor so I conclude you have some kind of relationship with United Hellas. It's not bad as long as you believe in a fair ODP without spammers and act accordingly.

 

PS2- What did you do as an ODP editor to inform other editors that most of the 93 listings of United Hellas were redirecting to other pages and didn't contain any valid content? :confused:

apartmentguy Newbie

apartmentguy

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If I may interject! With do respect to you both, this doesn't seem to be the place to have a back and forth debate over the validity of a request rather the reporting of abuse and actions taken. Although I agree with much of what glynos63 is saying and agree that it is difficult to compete with companies with multiple OPD listings when you have one or none, I don't enjoy having to scan through all the conjecture to see if my request (#1401) has been delt with. IMHO, I think this debate would be better served if it is discussed elswhere or by PM.

 

...then again, I could be wrong ... I'll shut up now. :o

 

Thanks. :D

spectregunner Newbie

spectregunner

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apartmentguy is correct. This is a forum for members to communicate to senior editors concerningthe possibility of abuse. We do not take action based upon reports; we investigate reports and take actions (or don't take actions) based upon the result of our investigations.

 

This is clearly not the pace for two members to engage in back-and-forth discussions as to the validity of reports. I ask that both of you cease from that type of behavior.

funtimes Newbie

funtimes

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PCB Design - Dead Links

 

3 Bad ones at Science: Technology: Electronics: Design: PCB Design

 

1) Cedar Technologies Inc. - Dead Link

2) HighTech Design Center - There's no website here and hasn't been for awhile

3) Summit Technical Manufacturing, Inc. - Has been temporarily unavailable for quite some time now.

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