A personal experience

[orlady]

Re: A personal experience (former editor)

 

Hi, wlauzon. It's been a long time... /images/icons/smile.gif

 

When an editor who "timed out" or resigned wishes to be reinstated, the proper approach is to request reinstatement under your old name. Contact a meta editor by e-mail. An editor with an expired login name should not try to get a new login -- this is "verboten."

 

Decisions on reinstatement will be based on review of your prior editing record and any other information you provide. Because things change over time, old editors may not be reinstated to all the categories they edited before.

 

-- orlady

[wladek]

Re: A personal experience (former editor)

 

For me your request posted above shows your will to come back - so I reinstated your account with slightly trimmed list of categories. Please take a while to read our current guidelines, check current category charters etc. and then ask for wider priviliges.

 

Also I gave you a new type of priviliges to one category: 'greenbuster'. You are allowed to review and edit entries from unreviewed but not to publish them. For this acceptation from higher level editor is required.

 

This new feature is tested now and in your case it is probably a temporary limitation.

[Guest]

I got the same I applyed may time 100% regection. They regected my site as well http://www.palmi705.co.uk I think it's because i'm a girl.

[Guest]

Actually justin it's probably because your spelling let you down. In the above post there are 5 spelling or grammatical errors. (applied, many, rejection, rejection, I'm)

[Guest kujanomiko]

I'm a girl. There are lots of girls/women/females/not-males here, like orlady, enarra, lissa and the list goes on and on...

[Guest WLauzon]

Thanks for the reinstatement. The categories I have will be be plenty for now - I no longer have the free time that I had before, so currently am not really looking for more. I just want to keep active, as this Fall I will probably have a lot more time (we have a very seasonal business).

 

I attempted a few weeks back to apply for reinstatement, but apparently the form, or email, or whatever was not working - or it went to the wrong person. Or maybe I filled it out wrong... ;/

 

BTW, Orlady, long time no see /images/icons/smile.gif Surprised that you even remember me, been a while !! I recall the many discussions we had on whether to combine all the solar/renewables into one area... I see that still has not happened /images/icons/smile.gif

 

Will take me a few days to get up to speed here.. I see the interface has changed a little.... and also don't want to step on anyone's toes until I see exactly what the "state of the section" is.

 

... Holy Cow!!! is this right?? almost 300 unreviewed sites in a fairly small category?? EEP!

 

Warren Lauzon

[Guest Chile]

Re: A personal experience (former editor)

 

(back to the original topic)

 

It's funny in a way. Almost the exact same thing occured to me when I applied to be an editor. There it was, a category with no editor, and for a subject completely related to exactly what I do.

 

I applied.

 

I was turned down because of these issues:

1. The category was already taken care of (apparently).

2. The category was too broad a subject for someone new.

 

In the e-mail, I was asked to either re-apply, or apply for another category.

 

Now, in the back of my head, I began wonder why DMOZ would think that I would want to apply for any of the other categories for which I did not originally choose to apply. Furthermore, I was left to question how the act of re-applying would be of any use to the process of becoming the editor for something that I was already told I wasn't suitable for.

 

I was confused. So, I e-mailed back. And, I recieved no answer.

 

I understand why DMOZ must be ever vigilant about who edits for a category. Having said that, there is no appeal process in place in the event that a decision is made in error.

 

Or, is there?

Open Directory application - Request 23380

 

With Regards,

Chile

Owner-Artist-Student

Visualcues.com

 

[Edited to delete extraneous line breaks at the end of post - apeuro]

[apeuro]

Re: A personal experience (former editor)

 

Chile, when you're fresh out of college, no one is going to hire you to become a CEO of a Fortune 500 company.

 

In the ODP you start at the bottom and work your way to the top. The rejection letter you received meant that you applied for a category that was too large for a new editor. Usually new editors aren't accepted to categories that have more than 60-80 sites.

[Guest WLauzon]

Re: A personal experience (former editor)

 

I think there are two factors at work here:

 

1. the Meta or whoever made the decision felt that they did not have the time to make a reply as to why, or any suggestions.

2. Getting more experienced and good editors would seem to be a good thing - it reduces the load for the Meta or whoever made the decision.

3. #1 conflicts with #2....

 

For example, if whoever had originally replied to me and simply stated that I could apply for reinstatement, it would have saved time and avoided some frustration. It took me around 30 minutes to fill out the application, what with looking for sites that were not listed etc - yet whoever rejected me the first time probably spent a lot less time than that - but also expected me to go back and completely fill out the new app again.

 

I can certainly understand that sometimes editors feel pushed to the wall when they have 94,584 sites to be reviewed - but often the best solution is to get some help /images/icons/smile.gif

[Guest]

Re: A personal experience (former editor)

 

Y'all go take a look at the new editor application instructions. Here's a link to one (for a particular category of course; if you're going to actually apply use the form at the category you want):

http://dmoz.org/cgi-bin/apply.cgi?where=Society/Disabled/Disability_Studies

 

This page has a link to the new editor reinstatement request form, too.

[Guest Chile]

Re: A personal experience (former editor)

 

I'm not accustomed to the need to ask others in order to help others. /images/icons/smile.gif

 

I will have another look at the new application, and consider re-applying for the Visual Arts > Education category.

 

Many Regards,

Chile,

General Manager: The-Group.org

Webmaster: Visualcues.com

[Guest WLauzon]

Re: A personal experience (former editor)

 

Now I recall that I could not use the form because my email address had changed and I did not recall the password. Since they could not email me the password....

[Guest Chile]

Re: A personal experience (former editor)

 

better yet,

 

Maybe your organization can contact me when you do need an editor for the Visual Arts > Educaton section. /images/icons/laugh.gif

[Guest]

I realize this is a very old post (in internet time), but I'm very curious whether Phil is still an editor. Phil - are you out there? How's it going?

 

The journey is actually more interesting to me than the outcome. I enjoyed seeing you gain a new perspective on the situation and I really enjoyed all the feedback from the editors. I hope I get accepted (when the newapp form is actually working), but if I don't I will certainly keep this entire thread in mind. (It took long enough to read - I would hope I'd learned something from it!) /images/icons/smile.gif

 

Angela

[Guest]

Phil's still here - he's up to about 8 categories.

 

I think Phil was the first person we sucked in, er, persuaded to join us, from this public forum. We should celebrate by sending him naughty postcards or something.

[Guest Phil]

Hi Angela.

 

The odd thing (to me) about this thread is that when I started it, I told a friend of mine that there was no real reason for anyone to respond much at all. I forget my reasoning but it turned into the biggest thread by far. I wonder if it will be surpassed /images/icons/smile.gif

 

Anyway, yup I'm still "out there" and still an editor. In fact I was joint winner in the recent Best New Regional Editor poll - quite a contrast from how it started here.

 

If you do become an editor, Angela (and I wish you well on that), you'll find it very different on the inside to how it appears from the outside. I think the biggest surprise to me is the way in which websites are regarded. They are like jewels that are prized and musn't be lost. That's how it appears to me, anyway.

 

For instance, you'd think that a listed website that disappears from the web would simply be deleted, wouldn't you? Not so. It might have moved to a new domain name so try to find it if possible, are the instructions.

 

From the outside it looks like DMOZ editors don't give a damn about websites, but they do. More specifically, they care a lot about the directory and about building it up with as many websites as possible (not counting mirrors, affiliates and such). It's quite an eye-opener.

 

Btw, nice piccy /images/icons/smile.gif

 

Phil.

[Guest Phil]

I've cleared my Inbox ready for them, Valerie /images/icons/wink.gif

[Guest]

Great to hear!

 

You know, one of the things I've caught a glimpse of on this public forum is the sense of community among the editors. A few years ago I was part of a team that managed a forum on an Adult (kind of) site that dealt with a lot of social issues. People had strong feelings about those issues. It was a difficult job for the moderators to manage the expectations of the members. There isn't any way for them to know the amount of effort behind the scenes, and some of them would get quite "verbose" (how's that for politically correct?) about their opinions.

 

All this to say I'm really glad to see you still working as an editor, many of us members appreciate your efforts.

 

Angela

(ps - thanks re: the pic!)

[Guest]

Yeah, my luck I'd send some completely inappropriate postcard and get banned for life. /images/icons/tongue.gif How about we pretend to send you naughty postcards and you just imagine what they might say!

[Guest Phil]

LOL. There's one thing I never do - ban ladies from my inbox /images/icons/smile.gif However, I'll try your 'pretend and imagine' method.................

 

ANGELA!!! Wow!!! Where did you find that one??? Got any more like that? I don't think I'll sleep tonight /images/icons/smile.gif

[Guest]

LMAO! I have a feeling that I have PLENTY of the "pretend and imagine" postcards to send!

[Guest]

Oops, that's right, we're supposed to be civil and appropriate in inter-editor communications. So I'll just post a naughty link here for everyone: http://www.livenudecats.com/

 

Phil's right, we do value websites highly. The reason it may appear otherwise is that the most vocal people on public forums are often those who are trying to get (how shall I put it?) less desirable commercial sites listed, under the mistaken impression that we're a form of advertising. This leads to, um, conflict.

 

You don't hear as much from the folks who are building really good sites, because they're busy writing articles, taking pictures, exchanging links, testing software, and making their sites accessible to everyone. But about 4,000 of them get listed in ODP every day. (If they'd just learn to use redirect pages when they move their sites, we'd have nothing more to wish for /images/icons/wink.gif )

[theseeker]

>> hope I get accepted (when the newapp form is actually working), but if I don't I will certainly keep this entire thread in mind.<<

 

Just wanted to be the first to welcome Angela to the ODP. /images/icons/smile.gif

[Guest]

Woo, Angela's in! Naughty postcards all around!

[Guest]

{do a little dance, make a little love, get down tonight!}

 

I like the idea of naughty postcards for everybody! It's like giving gifts to everyone at the party when it's your birthday. /images/icons/smile.gif

 

Angela