proper category doent accept any new sites.

[Guest Ajiissac]

Hi,

 

Our company is very fast growing company and offers debt consolidation. We feel the following category is the best suited category for our site.http://dmoz.org/Business/Financial_Services/Financial_Planning/Debt_Consolidation/.

 

But this category doesnt accepts any site, how can I ask the editor to review my site. We offer many articles and informative writeups on our site. In the coming days we have bigger plans about the site.

So how can we proceed our submission to dmoz? please help.

Thanks

AJI

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[totalxsive]

Don't worry. Your site looks like it has already been rejected from the directory.

[Guest Ajiissac]

It was on 19 aug 2003, we didnt had anything on our site that time. We have restructured our site after that. That time we had only 10 pages now we have around 100 pages.

 

Cannt we resubmit our site, even thought that time we have submitted to the following directory.http://dmoz.org/Business/Financial_Services/Financial_Planning/Debt_Consolidation/Debt_Settlement/

 

PLease advice us what do we lack to be in http://dmoz.org/Business/Financial_Services/Financial_Planning/Debt_Consolidation/. We feel this site will be of big help to all our customers, not only to our cutomers but also to all others who are looking for debt consolidation.

 

Thanks

AJI

[hutcheson]

To get this site listed, you'd have to sell the domain name, liquidate the company, fire the website developer, shoot the webmaster, and start over from scratch.

 

This kind of site (lead generators) is specifically prohibited, and because the kind of people who create such sites are so sneaky, so deceptive, and so persistently pestilential, we cannot afford to tell you what evidence we have in hand that this falls into the "specifically prohibited" class. But I can say that I have looked at the site and am confident that it does.

[Guest Ajiissac]

So in short we cannt get listed. Can we do something to prove our credibility?

 

Any suggesion will be highly appreciated.

 

Thanks

Aji

[thehelper]

Please note this quote from hutcheson

 

"This kind of site (lead generators) is specifically prohibited"

 

So that means no.

[hutcheson]

It's not about credibility.

 

It's about authoritative, unique, relevant content. it is logically impossible for a lead generation site to provide it.

[vikas9]

follow up ..

 

Over the last 18 months, from the start of the website, I have worked consistently to develop unique and relevant content to help people get rid of their debt. This comes from real life experience of mine. [santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2004/December/15/local/stories/02local.htm]

 

Do it yourself section:[debtconsolidationcare.com/diy/]

Here we have listed the steps to do debt consolidation[debtconsolidationcare.com/steps.html], the 1100 creditors[debtconsolidationcare.com/creditors/] in the US who offer reduced APR, waive off late fees and re-age the accounts for people who participate in a debt consolidation program, original calculators[debtconsolidationcare.com/calculator.html], and 27 sample letters[debtconsolidationcare.com/letters/]. The creditor's pages have a comment feature and we are trying to reach out to the community to make our creditor database more comprehensive.

 

We also have ranking chart, articles, faq's and an active discussion forum.[debtconsolidationcare.com/forums/] This content is original and there is no plagiarism.

 

I have never had AFFILIATE links on this website.

 

We have BBB membership:[goldengatebbb.org/commonreport.html?compid=58764&code=]

and a DBA as debt consolidation care

 

I think my hard work deserves a personal review by an editor.

 

ps:

a.Please add http://www. infront of the urls and paste them into the browser

[spectregunner]

I believe that you have received your answer, not from one, but from two highly experienced editors.

 

The forum rules specifically prohibit what you are doing -- trying to argue about a decision, and if you persist...... well, let's just say that you don't want to persist.

 

Your site has been reviewed, multiple eidtors agree that it is a leads generation site and as such it is ineliible for a listing.

 

You have two choices: stay here, argue, get banned and still not be listed; or recognize that the decision has been made, it is not going to change, and focus your energies on finding other promotional opportunities (there are a million of them) that will work for your site.

[vikas9]

trying to argue about a decision

 

I posted 14 months after the original decision. I am sorry if i came across as arguing about the decision. Thats not my intention. I accepted the decision made 14 months back, went back to the drawing board and worked hard to improve the site.

 

I am requesting a re - review 14 months after the initial revew.

 

i feel over the last 14 months we have improved to provide original unique content with a honest intention to help our visiitors. People using ODP to find sites in this area will find this a good resource.

 

Please accept my sincerest apologies if i came across as arguing about the decision.

[spectregunner]

OK, but this is not the place to request a re-review.

 

If you have made profound changes to the content of your site, and believe that you are in full compliance with our guidelines, then you may submit ONCE to the single best category, and return to this thread in 30 days for your initial status check.

[vikas9]

If you have made profound changes[/b"] to the content of your site' date=' and believe that you are in full compliance with our guidelines, then you may submit ONCE to the single best category, and return to this thread in 30 days for your initial status check.[/quote']

 

I already submitted around 4 months back, and after waiting for 4 months, when I didn't get approved, I presumed I am declined, therefore requesting a rereview here. I opened this topic back, instead of opening a new topic in the forum as this has old details and reviews as well.

[pvgool]

I already submitted around 4 months back, and after waiting for 4 months, when I didn't get approved, I presumed I am declined,.

Why? Never presume anything.

 

therefore requesting a rereview here. I opened this topic back, instead of opening a new topic in the forum as this has old details and reviews as well.

You can not ask for a review.

You can ask for a status of the suggestion.

 

You suggested the site more than 4 months ago. I can see from our internal stats that the site was rejected 2 times once beginning 2004 and once in october 2004. Reason: given above by my fellow editors.

As hutcheson already wrote "This kind of site (lead generators) is specifically prohibited".

Conclusion: the site won't be listed (unless you start all over: other content and other intentions)

[vikas9]

As hutcheson already wrote "This kind of site (lead generators) is specifically prohibited".

 

This comment by hutcheson was made 14 months ago.

 

If you kindly look at this website again, you will notice that it is a real content website and not a cookie cutter affiliate website.

[hutcheson]

"Not a COOKIE CUTTER affiliate website." That's no change. Nobody claimed it was a COOKIE CUTTER site before. If I had described the site before, I'd have called it a "lead generator." That's what it has not to be -- a blind, second-party lead generator -- to be something different than what it was before.

 

And that's still not what it's not.

[vikas9]

That's what it has not to be -- a blind, second-party lead generator

 

Please see

 

debtconsolidationcare.com/diy/

debtconsolidationcare.com/ranking-chart.html

debtconsolidationcare.com/forums/

debtconsolidationcare.com/articles/

 

A blind lead generation site will never devote more then 1/2 of the site to "do it your self" and forums and the other half to talking about 299 companies in the country (without a tracking code) which provide these services. Neither will it give consumers the ability to rate and discuss about these companies.

[pvgool]

I would advice you to read our forum guidelines at http://resource-zone.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=396

 

If your site has been rejected, please keep in mind that arguing about the editorial decision will not be tolerated. Please note that at the bottom of the "add URL" screen it says "Netscape and the ODP have unfettered editorial discretion to determine the structure and content of the directory" and "a site's placement in the directory is subject to change or deletion at any time"

[vikas9]

Please accept my sincerest apologies if i come across as arguing. Arguing is not my intention. I accept the decision.

 

I want to work with the editors in understanding what is wrong with debtconsolidationcare.com. All i am requesting is please explain me the areas where i need to improve. So that i can go back to the drawing board and come back after 6 months and maybe then i will be good enough.

 

I went through the debt problems and this site came out of my real life experience santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2004/December/15/local/stories/02local.htm

 

Everyday i wake up and think of ways to improve the site, make it more relevant to the users.

 

I provide all the information that i could find on the subject of personal debt on the site and i give a independent platform for the vendors of debt consolidation services (without affiliate links) and the consumers who are in debt to meet and work with each other.

 

Some days in my dreams i think of myself as being the ebay of the debt consolidaton industry, where i make the buyers and sellers (without affiliate links) meet.

 

I understand that "debt consolidation" is a much hated industry becuase of all the online defacement that people in this industry have done in blogs and other such places. I know if i say "I am not one of them" there is no reason for editors to accept it. Maybe i can request you to give me the benefit of doubt and look at the site without the expectations that the industry of "debt consolidation" creates in your minds.

 

I would advice you to read our forum guidelines at [url"]http://resource-zone.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=396[/url]

 

I have read the forum guidelines a couple of times.

 

Once again please accept my sincerest apologies if i came across as arguing.

 

thanks for your volunteer time

[hutcheson]

My previous advice, which you have not yet taken, stands. But I am beginning to think I might not have been radical enough to get at the real problem.

 

And I am serious....dead serious.

[vikas9]

It's not about credibility.

 

It's about authoritative, unique, relevant content. it is logically impossible for a lead generation site to provide it.

 

I dont want to offend you or any of the other editors. Neither do i want a argument or a confrontation.

 

I read your advice and i think the site provides authoritative, unique, relevant content. please see: debtconsolidationcare.com/diy/ I really dont know of any other site on the internet which provides better content then this site on this topic. Please point out one to me and i will stop posting in this thread. I will go back to the drawing board and will not return till I can make it better.

 

Once again i dont want to offend you or any of the other editors. Neither do i want a argument or a confrontation.

 

I apologize once again if i am coming across in the wrong way.

 

Please try to understand it has taken me 14 months or so to create this site and it hurts to read some of the comments here.

[spectregunner]

It seems as though you are not understanding what we mean when we say it is a leads generation site.

 

It doesn't matter how many ribbons and bows (content) you put on it, the primary purpose of the site is to gather/capture information about prospects.

 

As long as that is the overriding purpose of the site, it is unlistable -- even if you add 200 more pages.

[vikas9]

The primary purpose of the site is to gather/capture information about prospects.

 

As long as that is the overriding purpose of the site, it is unlistable -- even if you add 200 more pages.

 

In my mind/heart the primary purpose of creating debt consolidation care was to help people get rid of their debt. I created the site after the problems i faced being in debt and the net of misinformation which was woven around me by the media. it started with a couple of pages of content and then it grew over time to close to 2000 pages of content and an active forums

 

I am sad to hear that when a dmoz editor looks at the site they think that the primary purpose of the site is to gather information about prospects.

 

What changes would i need to make to make my primary purpose more obvious and not be mistaken as to what is my primary purpose.

 

Couple of changes that i can think of:

 

1. move the signup form away from the home page

 

2. or, get rid of signup compltely and move completely over to contextual advertising provided by the search engines.

 

Any other suggestions ..

 

Also if i go ahead and implement the suggestions .. and stick to them .. will i be seen as a site whose primary purpose is to help people get rid of their debt and gathering information about prospects is a way for the site owner to pay his bills just like any other site does it to monetize its content. be it search engines with their contextual ads or other site owners with lead forms or contextual ads.

 

Once again .. thanks for your volunteer time..

[spectregunner]

Not to be rude, but you know know (and seem to understand) what the major issue is. It is not our role in life to redesign your website, we'd rather build a directory.

 

Go forth, do thy thing, understanding that the vehemence with which we delivered the message suggests the depth of the problem with regards to your site. So whatever fixes you make should be more than superficial/cosmetic.

[pvgool]

What changes would i need to make to make my primary purpose more obvious and not be mistaken as to what is my primary purpose.

None. You build a website for any purpose you want. We list websites we want. If these two meet that is fine. If they don't we both just go our own way.

 

We don't say you have a bad website, we just say that we don't want to list this kind of website.