http://www.my-international-cell-phone.com

[Guest Geoffs_Cape]

http://www.my-international-cell-phone.com

 

Submitted to:

http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Consumer_Electronics/Communications/Wireless/Cellular_Phones/

 

On 27/06/2002.

Could someone please let me know if this site has been rejected, I have since re-submitted the url (is this a good or bad idea?), any advice regarding why (if) the site has been rejected.

 

Many Thanks,

[ollie1a]

Mobal communications, the parent company, is already listed. Your site has been rejected.

[Guest Geoffs_Cape]

Thanks for that, at least now I know.

 

However, Mobal Communications offer phone rental and is listed correctly in:

http://dmoz.org/Business/Telecommunications/Wireless/Equipment/Phones/Rentals/

 

My International Cell Phone offers purchase packages, and therefore (in my opinion) needs to be listed in another catogory.

 

Is it not possible to have a company that offers seperate services to have independant websites in different catogories?

 

Thanks for the quick responce.

[Guest just_browsing]

My advice to you would be to accept that you will not get this site listed.

 

Your listed site http://www.mobalrental.com/ has a main link to http://www.mobalrental.com/purchase.asp where one can see that the products are the same between the sites. For example

http://www.my-international-cell-phone.com/5110.htm

and

http://www.mobalrental.com/purchase-packages-traveller.asp

 

DMOZ will only list sites that offer the user unique information. It is unlikely (impossible) that you would convince any DMOZ editor to give a listing to the second site

[Guest Geoffs_Cape]

That's fine, I'm not contesting the decision or trying to convince the editor to change his mind, I just need to know the exact rules & guidelines while I'm working on the sites - so any advice is much appreciated.

 

What I want to achieve is two separate sites, one dealing with only rental the other only purchase.

 

I am currently re-developing the sites to achieve this. When I'm done there will be two sites offering different services. Would it then make sense to then re-submit My International Cell Phone?

 

The purchase sections on Mobal Rental are a mistake, and are going to disappear shortly - this site is strictly for rental.

 

Thanks.

[Guest]

>> What I want to achieve is two separate sites, one dealing with only rental the other only purchase.

>> Would it then make sense to then re-submit My International Cell Phone?

 

If you present us with 2 separate sites offering different content, they may be eligible to 2 separate listings.

 

When resubmitting, I'd suggest you to add a note at the end of the suggested description, explaining that the site is a separate one from xyz.com etc. whereas both are owned by the same company.

[Guest Geoffs_Cape]

Many thanks for that,

 

When I've got the sites sorted out I'll do that.

 

Thanks to everyone who contributed.

[Guest just_browsing]

One other piece of advice I would offer on www.my-international-cell-phone.com

 

Put yourself in the position of an editor who has spent hours cleaning out spam submissions. They (probably) take one look at that URL and,as they say...."If it looks like spam,walks like spam and quacks like spam, chances are it's spam."

Its only my personal view, but I think I would use another URL if I was you

[Guest Geoffs_Cape]

Cheers,

 

I see what you mean, do you think www.myinternationalcellphone.com is any better? Or a total re-think (personally, I don't really like the name but it was here before me).

[windharp]

Speaking as an individual - not as an editor - I dislike both of them. I prefer names like www.brown_ltd.com or www.netscape.com or such. In other words: I for myself would never buy anything (if there is a choice) at a www.keyword1-keyword2-keyword3.com no matter how it is formatted in detail.

[Guest Geoffs_Cape]

Personally I agree,

 

Unfortunately, the name of the website/company was decided before it became an on-line reality (unbelievably - before any search engine tactics/keywords were even thought about).

 

I can't change the name, and although it does sound spammy I have done my best to make the content/descriptions/search listings & feel of the site as genuine - as it rightfully is - as possible. Can I submit the site under a different url in DMOZ?

 

Is the url such a big disadvantage when it comes to submission, despite the content being non-spammy & genuine?

 

Cheers,

[Guest]

>> Is the url such a big disadvantage when it comes to submission, despite the content being non-spammy & genuine?

 

No. There are no "spammy urls" when it comes to reviewing sites for inclusion in the directory. If a site is worth inclusion it will be included no matter which is the URL of that site (assuming it is not a redirecting url, a search result, etc., that is, assuming that it's a legitimate url as per our Guidelines).

 

Sure some editors will be suspicious when they see www.keyword1-keyword2-keyword3.com submitted, and this kind of URLs may trigger further investigations to make sure that it is actually NOT a spammy doorway/mirror/duplicate/lead-generator/whatever, but there are plenty of sites with super-hyper-keyworded-urls.com/and-urlpaths-too/to-the-relevant-content.htm which are properly listed.

 

I can't speak for windharp as an individual (because I'm not him), but notice that his clear statement that "as an individual - not as an editor - I dislike both of them", means that as an editor he will (and all other editors should) review sites based on content, not on the urls submitted.

[Guest Geoffs_Cape]

Thanks,

 

I'll take note of what's been said above and re-work the sites accordingly. I presume if I follow the guidelines on here, both sites will be suitable for inclusion in dmoz.

 

By the way, what does dmoz stand for?

 

Many thanks to all the above.

[totalxsive]

DMOZ = Directory Mozilla (AFAIK)

[Guest Geoffs_Cape]

I've made the changes mentioned above and re-submitted the site with a note to the editor. I was just wondering on the status of the site at the moment.

 

Many thanks,

[dfy]

Your submission has been deleted as the content on it is mirrored at mobalrental.com, as was explained above.

[Guest Geoffs_Cape]

Cheers for the quick reply,

 

I know the site was initially rejected for the reason you mentioned above, but I explained the changes I was making and since re-submitted. Has my recent submission been deleted?

 

There is no longer any purchase content on Mobal Rental. They are now two separate sites offering separate services, as mentioned above.

 

The purchase pages are no longer accessible from the Mobal site. Do I need to re-submit my-international-cell-phone?

[dfy]

It was your recent submission that was deleted. I would imagine that the editor did what I just did and went to http://www.mobalrental.com/purchase.asp where the purchase pages can still be seen. It certainly doesn't look like they're two seperate sites.

[Guest Geoffs_Cape]

The purchase packages (the page in question) can no longer be accessed from Mobalrental.com. Any users on the rental site can no longer access any purchase packages, we don't want to offer both of these services on the same site any longer.

 

If you did manage to access the purchase packages from within the site could you please let me know how - as far as I am aware all these links have been removed.

 

Cheers,

[dfy]

I didn't try coming in through the front door, I just went straight to the purchase page, listed above.

 

We see people use all sorts of methods to get listed in the ODP. One method is to hide some of the content from view, then add links to it once the site has been listed. If we happen to know that hidden content is lurking on a site, it can appear to an editor that the author is trying to smuggle content past the review process.

 

Why are those pages still there?

[old_crone]

Since http://www.mobell.com/ (which is listed in dmoz) redirects the US user to http://www.mobalrental.com/ which one should be listed?

[dfy]

Ick!

 

http://www.mobell.com/ and http://www.mobell.co.uk/ are no longer listed in the directory.

[Guest Geoffs_Cape]

That seems fair enough, I put a <meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow"> onto the page to stop it appearing in search engines. If this is the problem then I'll have the pages removed completely.

 

I understand that from an editors point of view you have to be suspicious, could you please tell me what steps I need to take to get these sites listed as separate services.

 

Thanks,

[Guest Geoffs_Cape]

Mobell.com is not a re-direct to Mobal, these are two separate companies. The link from Mobell.com is for American visitors, as Mobell (based in the UK) can not serve Americans.

 

Please could Mobell be re-listed, the two sites offer different types of services to different customers. They are unique in content.

 

I came onto this forum for guidelines and advice so that these site could be listed properly, a lot of what you read about submissions is un-true. Thank you for your assistance.

 

Any further advice much appreciated.

[dfy]

mobell.com and mobell.co.uk will not be re-listed. Both of the sites carry identical content to that found on the mobal sites, and one of them shows a remarkable similarity in design, even going so far as to use the same file names.