brucie Posted January 7, 2004 Posted January 7, 2004 We requested Title correction for www.amray.com listed in http://dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/On_the_Web/Web_Portals/ long time ago. Link Title says Amray even though initially we submitted AMRAY and in our request, we explained why it should be in all caps (the same reason as ODP, AOL etc.) Can you check the status of our request? Please.
Meta johncotton Posted January 8, 2004 Meta Posted January 8, 2004 Your request is waiting to be processed by the appropriate editors. To be honest I don't quite get what you mean. ODP and AOL are acronyms. Is Amray an acronym for something?
brucie Posted January 8, 2004 Author Posted January 8, 2004 Yes, it compounded from five company founders’ initials.
brucie Posted April 22, 2004 Author Posted April 22, 2004 http://www.amray.com/ Title change http://www.amray.com/ listed in http://dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/...eb/Web_Portals/ It is now almost one year since we initially requested to change site name from Amray to AMRAY. I explained that AMRAY is not a word but acronym and that all caps represent names of 5 company founders. We wouldn't ask for a change if editor left the name as we originally posted thus save us all time now. How longer it will take for us to wait before some of you guts spend 10 seconds of your time to change 4 letters and click save?
spectregunner Posted April 22, 2004 Posted April 22, 2004 Change requests are processed in the same manner as new submissions (although some editors do give them a priority). Thus, a change request, if granted, could take from a few hours to more than two years. I can also tell you that no editor, to date, has considered your change request, but they have spent considerable time ferreting out what we believe are all of your mirrors. I also do not believe that your request, when reviewed by an editor qualified to edit in that part of the directory, will be granted. Our style for titles specifices initial capitalization only. See our editing guidelines . Specifically: Do have the first letter of each word in the title capitalized, except for articles, prepositions or conjunctions unless they begin the site title or a new part of a compound title. and Do not capitalize titles in their entirety. And before you get started again (given the tone of your last posting), let me remind you that the purpose of this forum is to request and receive status requests, not to debate/discuss or argue over ODP's editorial policies.
brucie Posted April 22, 2004 Author Posted April 22, 2004 Guideline... Do not capitalize titles in their entirety. Guideline doesn't says or ment to be used in acronyms such as ABC, MSN, AOL, ODP, AMRAY etc. but rather in "DO NOT CAPITALIZE TITLES IN THEIR ENTIRETY" titles
spectregunner Posted April 22, 2004 Posted April 22, 2004 Thank you for your interpretation of our editing guidelines. I'm certain that the reviewing editor will consider your position when they eventually get to your update request. You may come back again in 90 days, using this thread and this thread only, for a follow-up status check.
brucie Posted April 22, 2004 Author Posted April 22, 2004 Excuse me Sir, but what do you mean by "interpretation"? I took my time to read guideline and at least I am missing something, you are more than welcome to point me to the specific place where it says: no caps in acronyms. And Sir, can I ask you something? In your post you said: - "ODP's editorial policies". Is there are some special reasons you put ODP in all caps?
bobrat Posted April 22, 2004 Posted April 22, 2004 Because he's not talking about a site title When ODP is listed in ODP you will find the title in category http://dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Searching/Directories/Open_Directory_Project/ is Open Directory Project [not ODP]
brucie Posted April 22, 2004 Author Posted April 22, 2004 With all do respect, you are not spectregunner and my question was directed to him not to you. But as long you took time to reply, I think it would be only fare for me to point to you that spectregunner very specifically point me to guide section that talk about site title and not about Category http://dmoz.org/guidelines/describing.html#titles and whereas I nearly point to him that guideline for titles says: Do contain the full form and acronym... and asked him to show me where I'm wrong. To answer your post, I would suggest you go to category where AMRAY is posted http://dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/On_the_Web/Web_Portals/ and take a look how is ABC, just above and AOL just 2 posts below, are listed.
Meta nea Posted April 22, 2004 Meta Posted April 22, 2004 You have made your point very clear, including your interpretation of our guidelines. As spectregunner pointed out, the Forum Guidelines for Resource-Zone forbid any debating of editorial decisions here, and we would like to ask you to please respect these guidelines. It is worth pointing out that the editor who reviews your update request will almost certainly not read this discussion. Thank you, -nea Curlie Meta and kMeta editor nea
brucie Posted April 22, 2004 Author Posted April 22, 2004 As I said, if original editor follow guidelines in the first place, we wouldn't now seek resolution and take any of your time. I agree with you this is not the place to talk about mistake made by editor, after all people who come here are looking for info about their sites status but I can't find place where I can post my concerns and will appreciate if any of you can point me to some part of ODP guidelines enforcers where I can appeal editor guideline violation and/or who can arbitrate and correct mistake without delay.
spectregunner Posted April 22, 2004 Posted April 22, 2004 Stop arguing. There is nothing to appeal because your request is still in the pool of submission awaiting actions by an editor. No immediate action is going to take place. Your request will be considered in due course and no one can predict when that will happen. This is the only place to discuss your concerns. You have expressed your opinion. Several very experienced editors have tried to tell you that your request is probably not going to be approved, because our interpretation of the editing guidelines greatly varies from your interpretation. We are not going to discuss this further. We are not going to debate the editorial guidelines with you. Your request is pending, and you are probably quite fortunate that none of the editors here will be the ones who will deal with your request, as you have very nearly worn out your welcome with your argumentative nature. Now some free advice: Do not post a reply to this message. Come back in 90 days and post a straighforward status request -- with no attitude, no accusations, no arguments and no snide remarks about it only taking 10 seconds. Then you can come back every 90 days, using the same thread, until such time as your request is either accepted or denied.
bobrat Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 Your site has been reviewed, and has been found to violate the licensing agreements of ODP in http://dmoz.org/license.html with more information to be found in http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Searching/Directories/Open_Directory_Project/Policies_and_Procedures/ In simple terms, it means you are using ODP data in an inappropriate and unacceptable manner. As a result it will probably be removed from the ODP directory until such time as it has been changed to meet those agreements.
brucie Posted April 29, 2004 Author Posted April 29, 2004 I will inform management of AMRAY Network about ODP decision to remove our listing and most definitely 5% of ODP data we posted in our Directory will be removed to comply with ODP Licensing Provision. My question is: do we have to reapply for listing again or ODP will reinstate our previous listing?
spectregunner Posted April 29, 2004 Posted April 29, 2004 Post again when you have made the changes and we will make our decision at that time.
brucie Posted July 18, 2004 Author Posted July 18, 2004 Status of www.amrayhosting.com Site http://www.amrayhosting.com was submitted to http://dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Web_Design_and_Development/Hosting/A/ over 6 month ago
bobrat Posted July 18, 2004 Posted July 18, 2004 Please keep all questions about your site in the thread http://resource-zone.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=9668
brucie Posted July 18, 2004 Author Posted July 18, 2004 amrayhosting.com and amray.com 2 deferent sites submitted to 2 deferent Categories. I am not asking about status of amray.com and I don't see how they (sites) related and why they should be placed in the same thread. Just look on submission titles and you'll see they say: Status of http://www.amray.com and Status of http://www.amrayhosting.com Besides, you removed amray.com from your index all-together.
donwiebe Posted July 18, 2004 Posted July 18, 2004 Moved where? If you're wondering about the "Moved" tag in front of this thread in the main Site Submission Status forum, it's there because this thread has been moved to the Computers subforum, where it belongs.
brucie Posted July 18, 2004 Author Posted July 18, 2004 Thanks for explanation anyway but... as you can see, I figured it out myself. I would prefer to hear from you reply to my question from above: how 2 sites are related
bobrat Posted July 18, 2004 Posted July 18, 2004 Could I point out that you have http://www.amrayweb.com AMRAY Network Corporation - Provides web hosting, domain name registration, and web design. listed already in http://dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Web_Design_and_Development/Designers/Basic_Service/A/ and http://www.amrayhosting.com is listed in http://dmoz.org/Regional/North_America/Canada/Manitoba/Localities/W/Winnipeg/Business_and_Economy/Computers_and_Internet/Internet/Web_Design_and_Development/ Which seems incorrect. With the number of different URL's you have for your company, it's difficult to figure out which one to list.
Meta hutcheson Posted July 18, 2004 Meta Posted July 18, 2004 It helps editors who are trying to consider the relationship between the sites, if we keep all discussion on one thread.
brucie Posted July 18, 2004 Author Posted July 18, 2004 Paging hutcheson It helps editors who are trying to consider the relationship between the sites, if we keep all discussion on one thread.There is no relation. amray.com is gone from ODP index and you can delete that amray.com thread as far as we concerned because we do not care to go back to it ever again.
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