brucie Posted July 19, 2004 Author Posted July 19, 2004 Status of www.amrayhosting.com bobrat To answer your excellent question from the post that was removed. amrayweb.com was submitted to ODP few years ago together with amrayhosting.com and for some known only to editor at that time reason one of them was added, needless to say in wrong order, to http://dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/...asic_Service/A/ and another to Regional Category http://dmoz.org/Regional/North_Amer...nd_Development/ I am not going to mention in here how titles and descriptions were massacred because whatever was done is gone but now we want amrayhosting.com in http://dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/...asic_Service/A/ and frankly we wouldn’t mind if you remove amrayweb.com from there and replace it with amrayhosting.com instead. note: AMRAY Network Corporation has many divisions, sections and sub-section and domain registrations and web hosting belong to totally deferent divisions the same way amray.com (you removed from ODP) or amrayweb.net our Web Design section, operated and managed independently.
Meta hutcheson Posted July 19, 2004 Meta Posted July 19, 2004 Which one is the main corporate website for the corporation? (that is, the only one we'd consider listing) And how can we verify that from looking at the websites themselves? With this information, we'd be able to go back and make a decision as to whether, what, and where to list (based, of course, on our guidelines.)
brucie Posted July 19, 2004 Author Posted July 19, 2004 Which one is the main corporate website for the corporation? (that is, the only one we'd consider listing)We are not interested to list in here our Corporate site because web hosting and domains departments make only a small token of company holdings and by itself have thing to do with narrowed to web hosting Category And how can we verify that from looking at the websites themselves?The same way your editor did that first time around. Or, you can visit our existing sites listed in here and review them for verification. We are not asking you to do any more than your guidelines permit us to request. amrayhosting.com according to guidelines can be submitted to 2 Categories and that is all we ask you to do.
Meta hutcheson Posted July 19, 2004 Meta Posted July 19, 2004 A status has been given. We don't debate the editors' guidelines here. You may not ask for editing actions in the forum. But you may ask for another status of your submittal in six months.
brucie Posted July 19, 2004 Author Posted July 19, 2004 A status has been givenGiven by whom, where? I don't see any of you posted reply to my question. Can you point me to the answer? We don't debate the editors' guidelines hereNeither do I. It was you who said: (based, of course, on our guidelines.) and whereas I agreed to follow them and said: ... your guidelines permit us to request But you may ask for another status of your submittal in six months Really? Wow hutcheson, thank you for your generosity, you made my day. I’m already start counting minutes to that moment.
leer Posted July 19, 2004 Posted July 19, 2004 We are not interested to list in here our Corporate site because web hosting and domains departments make only a small token of company holdings and by itself have thing to do with narrowed to web hosting Category It should be mentioned that we do not list sites for the benefit of the company/group/agency etc etc instead we list sites in a manner beneficial to our users and in-line with our guidelines and ontology. If the corporate website was found to be the better one for our users based on the above factors then that is the one that would be listed regardless of the companies interest. Many other directories focus on the needs and requirements of the business however we are not one of those directories and we pride ourselves on serving the end user. We are not asking you to do any more than your guidelines permit us to request......according to guidelines can be submitted to 2 Categories and that is all we ask you to do. There is many reference to guidelines throughout this thread however I regret to see that following my email dated 18th May 2004 http://www.amray.com/ still appears to be in violation of our license as also highlighted in http://resource-zone.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=9668 Perhaps Mr. Ray would like to address this issue.
brucie Posted July 19, 2004 Author Posted July 19, 2004 we list sites in a manner beneficial to our users... If the corporate website was found to be the better one for our usersOur corporate site has only “About US”, Terms, Privacy etc. type pages and contacts information. Your Users, if you really care about them, will benefit more by going directly to the pages where they can find the subject of their inquiry without jumping over the links. Of course if you want them to waste their time then your Red Book statement right on the money. There is many reference to guidelines throughout this threadHey, don’t blame me it was hutcheson idea to put new topic in old dead (to us anyway) thread.
leer Posted July 19, 2004 Posted July 19, 2004 Of course if you want them to waste their time then your Red Book statement right on the money. I said if. It would appear that you are choosing to read, accept and comment on only parts of what is trying to be explained to you here and by doing so you are completely taking the comments out of the context that they are intended. Whilst this remains the case I am afraid that I am unable to see how breaching the forum guidelines further by ranting about what, why, how and when we should or should not list a site is of use to anyone. The be all and end all is that the reviewing editors will decide what if any site are to be listed or remain listed in the ODP. An internal discussion concering an issue raised in this thread is underway and for that reason no further assurances can be made at this time pending its conclusion. You have submitted the sites, we are aware of them, so there is nothing more that you can do (expect perhaps address the license breach).
brucie Posted July 19, 2004 Author Posted July 19, 2004 expect perhaps address the license breachOk, lets address this issue. Amray.com is not a clone of ODP nor it uses ODP as a core of it index. Our editors are free to go anywhere in search for good sites and if those sites happened to be listed in ODP or any other sources, they add them to AMRAY Directory. People who submitted their sites to ODP and got listed, submit them to AMRAY as well because it take us only 48 hours to index their sites, free of charge of course, and because most of them still believe that descriptions ODP editors snap on their sites are the one that will list them everywhere, use them (copy and paste) when they submitting their links to AMRAY. Now. What do you want us to do? If to remove links just because the same links happened to be in both directories, then tell us which of them you want us to remove and we’ll do it. But if you think we will waste our time and resources and chase after every link you don’t like, then you are dreaming.
bobrat Posted July 19, 2004 Posted July 19, 2004 Balderdash. Seeing that the chances of a submission having an acceptable description approaches zero. There is no way that a submitter ends up sending the final ODP description to you, prior to being listed in ODP. Once they are listed in ODP, that listing description belongs to ODP. If the submitter then submits the site to you and uses the copied description, that is your responsibility to ensure you have not used "copyrighted" content If you add them - to quote if those sites happened to be listed in ODP or any other sources, they add them to AMRAY Directory. then you are in direct violation. And if you expect your site to be listed when you are in violation, then you are dreaming.
leer Posted July 19, 2004 Posted July 19, 2004 From every page: Copyright © 1998-2004 Netscape You also seem to be forgetting that most of the descriptions published in the directory are not those of the submitter. Instead they have been written by our editors and use of that data is subject to license. Furthermore all edits in ODP are recorded and it would take only a matter of seconds to find a site with a description the same as in yours that was not submitted to us in that format but instead completely overhauled by one of our editors (we do have the before and after). The links themselves are technically public domain - our titles and descriptions however are not there for the taking. How you correct the issue, if you choose to do so, is up to you and we will not advise you what to do. You are either within the license or you are not. At the moment you are not. As this is a legal issue I will refrain from commenting further in relation to the license. With that said I see nothing else worth discussing at this point.
brucie Posted July 19, 2004 Author Posted July 19, 2004 There is no way that a submitter ends up sending the final ODP description to you, prior to being listed in ODP.I never said that Mr. Owl, I said: "People who submitted their sites to ODP and got listed, submit them to AMRAY as well" Once they are listed in ODP, that listing description belongs to ODPWrong. Index belongs to ODP, site and everything in it belong to whoever owns that site If the submitter then submits the site to you and uses the copied description, that is your responsibility to ensure you have not used "copyrighted" contentand how you suggest we do that? then you are in direct violationShould we start worry about Law Suite? And if you expect your site to be listed when you are in violation, then you are dreamingLook Mr. Bob Rat, we are not expecting you (ODP) reinstate amray.com listing and frankly we don’t want to. But if your remark pointed to amrayhosting.com, then show me how is that site violated something Mr. Leer, Shoud I reply to you or forget it?
Meta pvgool Posted July 19, 2004 Meta Posted July 19, 2004 Please read Open Directory License and Our Social Contract with the Web Community point 7 "Users Not Meeting The Free Use License" . I will not answer PM or emails send to me. If you have anything to ask please use the forum.
leer Posted July 19, 2004 Posted July 19, 2004 There is no point in replying to my post - no. It is clear from every single response to bobrats detailed post that you do not seem to understand (or at least don't want to undertand) what is being said and the focus of this thread is now getting to be non-productive back and forward bickering even though the fundamental facts have been stated and made very clear. As for "your remark pointed to amrayhosting.com, then show me how is that site violated something" Amray hosting, amrayanything, amrayblahblahblah is in my opinion Amray. Black and white. How you choose to market the service of that company is of no interest to me nor is the fact of how many websites that you have. The site itself did not put itself in violation AMRAY or its associated agents did (be they editors or whatever). Therefore Amray is the responsible party. I will not hide the fact that I am of the opinion that ALL Amray sites should be removed until Amray complies with the license. That is only my opinion though and I do not speak for anyone else. And as for not using our data I would refer to your remark I will inform management of AMRAY Network about ODP decision to remove our listing and most definitely 5% of ODP data we posted in our Directory will be removed to comply with ODP Licensing Provision.
brucie Posted July 19, 2004 Author Posted July 19, 2004 Ok leer, instead of amrayblahblahblah, do something usefull. Someone by mistake (or by design) snapped wrong URL address to AMRAY Web Hosting link http://dmoz.org/Regional/North_America/Canada/Manitoba/Localities/W/Winnipeg/Business_and_Economy/Computers_and_Internet/Internet/Web_Design_and_Development/ Can you change it from amrayweb.com to amrayhosting.com?
leer Posted July 19, 2004 Posted July 19, 2004 It was an intended concious change performed by a senior editor. If you feel the incorrect URL is listed then you can request a change in the normal manner by using the update URL feature from within the category that the site is listed.
brucie Posted July 19, 2004 Author Posted July 19, 2004 leer, you must be kidding me. If you want us to wait 3 years before correction will take effect, then I have a message you can pass to your moron senior volunteer slave - fruck you corksucker Now we solved this issue and AMRAY is off the table, brucie is out.
motsa Posted July 19, 2004 Posted July 19, 2004 Both of your listings now match one another; both are for amrayweb.com which is the URL that has been chosen by ODP editors as the one Amray site to list. And if you can't be civil when you post here, please don't bother posting at all.
brucie Posted July 20, 2004 Author Posted July 20, 2004 Just to show how freaking stupid you people with your senior editor on the top are, amrayweb.com described by an ashhole editor as “Offers domain registration assistance and web design” whereas amrayweb.com doesn’t have even 1 single link to our Web Design site. Yo leer, is this is what you call “manner beneficial to our users” If any of you still have any intelligent part of brain left, can you tell me what was wrong with our original title “AMRAY International and Canadian Domain Name Registration”. Hey, if you can’t or should I say don’t want, to give our sites proper place, titles and descriptions then we don’t want to be a part of your freaking directory and expect you respect our wishes and remove, I mean blacklist AMRAY and our links for good. I am a getting sick and tired to deal with a bunch of volunteer slaves who for some reason believe they are serving humanity. Trust me you are not, you are nothing more than another censorship hang that uses their Master philosophy “only we know what is good for you, I Robot”. and motsa - fruck you
motsa Posted July 20, 2004 Posted July 20, 2004 And on that note, brucie, please say goodbye to the forum.
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