http://thelogocompany.net

Category: http://dmoz.org/Business/Marketing_and_Advertising/Advertising/Design_Services/Logo_and_Stationery/

Please advise status as it has been sometime (about 2 -3 month) since submission

Sorry to say, but the category is quite backlogged. Your site is waiting among a lot of others for an editor to find the time and review them.

Wow...if sites were reviewd as fast as you answered this... <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" alt="" />

No seriously...thanks for the indicator. What is the longest I can expect to wait...if such a measure exists.

Thanks again for the speedy response.

Simon

Several years in some disbanded categories. Or in other words: Noone knows. Depends on to many details.

Again...thanks for the response.

Interesting comment you made there. How does that benefit DMOZ or in fact people looking to search on those categories? If you consider that Overture states that the search term "logo design" (60,000 searches in March alone)is very popular and also log files on my server attest to this. Would it not be more beneficial to everybody involved if more resources were put on to such a popular and backlogged category? Resources being at a premium I know...but it does not appear to match with the philosophy of DMOZ nor the interests of the searching public at large.

Thanks again for your comments.

Looks like I may never get the opportunity to be listed in DMOZ <img src="/images/icons/frown.gif" alt="" />

Simon

Remember that editors are all volunteers. On the one hand that means they like what they are doing and as a result are doing a good job, on the other hand they are doing only what they want to do. I did some thousand edits in Online-Shop categories, but dealing with one kind of companies is absolutely boring. After some dozend they all look the same. And the amount of spam you receive is frustrating.

And a second thing: When I think of the last months and what I looked for on the internet, I looked for a shop only 2 times. Most times I wanted information about something. So when editing for the ODP I focus on informational categories, too.

It certainly makes sense to edit a category that interests you <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

I can not imagine viewing over 1000 shops to decide if they are useful to the directory or not. I can see that you are a dedicated editor. I can also see the frustration with editing the same old same old same old.

How do editors keep their sanity doing the same old stuff over and over again?

Is it not better to vary the categories with the editors so that this kind of repetition is reduced. Surely that can only be a good thing for DMOZ. The editors get variety...the public gets a more up to date search facility. Based on the criteria for being an editor...of course having someone in the same industry makes sense...but what you guys and gals are looking out for is the same regardless of category.

Just a thought ...but I am sure that one has been bated around a 1000 times already.

It is sad that you are not editing my category of interest....I could see you zipping through that backlog in an afternoon <img src="/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" />

Simon

Just to give an idea of editing: On a "good" saturday, sitting at home, trying to list sites all day I approximately can list 100 sites. When I would be editing the whole day in a very spammy commercial category (No, I wont give examples <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" /> ) I would have deleted 400-900 other submission while doing that.

And yes, if you are very dedicated to editing it is a good thing that there are lots of different categiories. You maybe notice the "EditAll" below my name - means I can edit whereever I want - now thats fun

But on the other hand I could do a lot of damage to the directory. Noone would be able to check all edits I made for abuse, that simply would take to much time. So new editors are only given small categories. Thats enough to learn and to have a lot of fun at the beginning. Once they built a great category, showing the comunity what they are capable of, they can request another category, possibly larger or with a totally different topic. If they want to spend enough time and the other think they do a good job, they will be granted categories far to big to maintain allone - nice areas to play and to help other editors do their job.

Are all commercial categories considered spammy? <img src="/images/icons/shocked.gif" alt="" />

I know that most commercial sites are only really interested in selling their wares...by nature that can make them look spammy <img src="/images/icons/tongue.gif" alt="" />

But there is obviously an interest in commercial sites listed in DMOZ otherwise...why would DMOZ list them?

Simon

Ps...I hope you were not refering to my site <img src="/images/icons/confused.gif" alt="" />

Not all commercial categories are filled with spam (multiple submissions of usually unlistable sites), though they often are. Anyway, doesn't seem your site is spamming.

Are all commercial categories considered spammy?

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No, of course not. But many are, especially the internet-based businesses. But even most of the good ones are quite boring after some time.

Example:

Imagine 10 shops selling cats. The sites wont differ much, most sites selling the same types of cats, most shops not specialized in any way. Other layout, other pictures, nearly the same content. [Dont read that as "no unique content" - they may be unique shops with unique content but still are nearly the same if you are not interested in the things they sell.].

Imagine 10 private sites about having a special cat. Of course they are all similiar, since the type of cat and the focus is nearly the same. But they contain totally different content, maybe they give stories or lots of pictures of the cat, and provide a wealth of interesting pages. Some of the sites look quite awfull, but that doesn't really matter - there is so much interesting stuff to read and look at that the editor (even if he's not interested in this type of cat) reads the whole stuff.

As an editor I have a problem writing descriptions for both. Descriptions for the first type sound like: "Another boring shop that sells - guess what - CATS!" [Thats not a good description, just an example <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" /> ] the second one grows longer and longer while I examine the site.

Ps...I hope you were not refering to my site

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No, I was not refering to you site. In fact I didn't even look at your site <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" /> Since the forum guideliones say that we dont review sites in here, I just looked at it from the ODP side.

I am so pleased you were not refering to my site <img src="/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" /> (reviewed or not).

As the internet grows exponentially day by day...how can DMOZ keep up with that...considering the number of submissions must also increase by a factor of the overall growth (making this up as I go along---but you get the idea). Will it not be the case that in say 2 years time (again..fantasy figures) that the usefulness of DMOZ in certain categories is negligable...if any use at all?

Would it not be better in that case to drop many categories so that the editing task becomes more managable. Then..as things become under control again..add the categories back? Only then adding new categories when it is possible to manage them.

Also...as a side issue to that...would it not be a good idea to list the average wait per category (small peice of code no doubt) before a listing would appear. This way people would get a better idea of the wait involved? Just a thought.

Thanks again.

Simon

Simon, as we're trying to build the most comprehensive directory of the WWW's unique content, the only way we can keep up is to get more good, dedicated editors. I would suggest that anyone who has an interest, and can write well in their own language, apply to be an editor in a *small* category and "give a little back".

What is the turn around time for applying to be an editor...to being accepted or delined?

Simon

Between some minutes and some weeks - depends on available Meta-Editor capacity for that branch and the time they need to think about a special application.

&gt;&gt;Would it not be more beneficial to everybody involved if more resources were put on to such a popular and backlogged category?

Given the sheer number of "popular categories", that would be impossible to arrange. As backlogged categories go, this one is what I would personally only class as moderately backed up and probably wouldn't be one of the first places I'd assign resources if I had that power. I did, however, clean some of the crud out of unreviewed.

Have you considered submitting the site somewhere under Regional Sweden as well? I would ordinarily have suggested submitting it to the appropriate locality category under the appropriate county except that I have no idea what county Hyllinge is in and it doesn't appear to have its own locality category yet. So perhaps under Regional/Europe/Sweden/Business_and_Economy?

That is really great advice. I have added myself to http://dmoz.org/cgi-bin/add.cgi?where=Regional/Europe/Sweden/Skane_County/Localities/Helsingborg

Hyllinge is only 10Km outside Hellsingborg so hopefully that will do.

Thanks again!

Simon

You maybe notice the "EditAll" below my name - means I can edit whereever I want - now thats fun

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Hi

Besides this being a "test" post, I actually have a question...

I am a newly appointed editor, how do I get "Editor" under my name?

Check out the "Member to Editor II" thread in the Member's Lounge.

http://www.resource-zone.com/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=tes&amp;Number=13802

&gt;Would it not be more beneficial to everybody involved if more resources were put on to such a popular and backlogged category?

Wouldn't be beneficial to _me_. Ain't popular with _me_. And _me_ is the only resource _I_ have to put anywhere. (Replace _me_ successively with each of the 10,000+ active ODP editors, and you may understand the situation.) There are lots of measures of "search popularity", but the one WE use is, "is there anyone who cares enough about the topic to do a good job of reviewing large numbers of sites?" and in OUR polling sample, the answer for THIS topic is "NO."

Can that change? Yes, there are many potential editors out there, and one may really be keenly interested in this subject.

Is this a problem for users? Apparently not: they can find lots of appropriate sites already. Is it a problem for editors? If so, they apparently have higher priority activities, both within the ODP and perhaps even in real life.

And that IS, quite literally, "everybody" that is "involved" in THIS project.

So the only possible answer is: "No, a thousand times no! We get more and better work from volunteers by encouraging them to reviewing more sites that they find interesting."