Is DMOZ to be more important than any other SE/Directory

SiteTutor

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Just to add one thing: I don't believe seo is over, the face of seo is changing however. It is not about DMOZ but in general. The focus should be more about creating quality sites and not seo. I myself am more involved in coaching now. Tricking search engines is not the way to go. There have been so many threads with people accusing and defending DMOZ it gets very old. DMOZ editors must get tired of selfish webmasters, so are many webmasters who feel like they are being put into the same category as those they themselves dispise. I have sites in DMOZ and sites which won't get listed. That is out of my control just like Google's sandbox and real estate filter. I believe I am one of the best search engine optimizers out there and I have myself created a new thread in my forum and hope some common ground can be eventually found. Once again I can only encourage every frustrated webmaster to step back and every frustrated editor to do the same.

Peace!

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4. Good Editors hands are tied if they see quality sites outside their category. If Everyone was made a GLOBAL Editor they could pick up the slack on those HUGE categories.
It's easy to see you don't know how a directory like this works if you think that giving a brand new editor full access to the whole directory would be a positive move in terms of quality or growth. And good editors' hands are never tied. Good editors can very easily work their way up to global (or near global) editing permissions and never want for work to do on the way. And frankly, the reason that some of the large categories stay overflowing with suggestions from site owners is because no one really wants to edit there -- even if you gave 10,000 editors full access to the entire directory, you still wouldn't find many that would choose to edit in some of those categories (and, no, we're never going to reach a point where we force volunteer editors to edit where they don't want to).

5. Bad editors can't be routed out quickly cause there often in obscure categories never looked at. If every one was made a GLOBAL Editor Bad editors would show up right away and can be removed and what they did fixed.
This doesn't make any sense whatsoever. "Let's give bad editors free reign so they can do more damage that we'll have to clean up after."
 

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hutcheson said:
This is not -- and please take this as a warning -- the place to discuss what we do or do not do about people who spam the ODP submittal process (or, indeed, any other electronic "organ".)
As a warning - Jeepers, I was not asking for the moon, I'm the good guy, I don't want to know your trade secrets, you will not find anyone more anti spam than me.
 

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@ctabuk: I believe this was not meant for you but for the editors participating in this thread. Editors who are just trying to be helpfull sometimes post a lot more than they should, and as you will agree, it is not very wise to publish what you are adoing to get rid of spam.
 

ctabuk

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windharp said:
@ctabuk: I believe this was not meant for you but for the editors participating in this thread. Editors who are just trying to be helpfull sometimes post a lot more than they should, and as you will agree, it is not very wise to publish what you are adoing to get rid of spam.

Well I have responded by PM, which is the correct way of issuing 'A Warning'
Should be an interesting read when I get it though!!! I have since received a reply.
 

gayboi

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motsa said:
It's easy to see you don't know how a directory like this works if you think that giving a brand new editor full access to the whole directory would be a positive move in terms of quality or growth. And good editors' hands are never tied. Good editors can very easily work their way up to global (or near global) editing permissions and never want for work to do on the way. And frankly, the reason that some of the large categories stay overflowing with suggestions from site owners is because no one really wants to edit there -- even if you gave 10,000 editors full access to the entire directory, you still wouldn't find many that would choose to edit in some of those categories (and, no, we're never going to reach a point where we force volunteer editors to edit where they don't want to).

This doesn't make any sense whatsoever. "Let's give bad editors free reign so they can do more damage that we'll have to clean up after."

I just don't think people see the point. If you look at just the editor/metas and whatever else you guys call yourself who come in here and CARE about the dmoz directory if every last one of you was a global Editor then Tons more would get done and many categories would not take a year to be updated.

As for working your way up--yeah right that never really happens--I've watch great editors stuck and never progress and end up just quitting because they get burntout by the dmoz polotics. Or even worse they really get ticked and go bad mouth DMOZ all over the net. I've also seen bad editors promoted to the higher categories--who makes these promotions???

AS FOR BAD EDITORS--they are going to be few and far between. But with many EYES watching them they will not have time to do Major damage. This also acts as a deterent to the bad editors--with so many levels of people watching they will attempt to do a better job when making changes to any portion of the directory.

The pros would far outdo the cons in this situation out of all the editors at dmoz today the majority are Superb editors and could do other categories much better justice by HELPING out.

AS for forcing Editors--this is still a volunteer thing--obviously you would force no editor to update a category but with global editors that wouldn't mean that another editor could come in and do it instead.

Obviously something needs to be done with DMOZ(edit:eventually) Not quite to the point of being broke but it is bent alot-But you need to do it in a way that DMOZ's Vision is still in sight. That is why A suggestion like this does make sense. Might not be the best idea but at least it is an idea that keeps the DMOZ Structure intact.
 

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What you're describing is not a new concept. We call them "free-for-all link farms". There are thousands of them already. If you need one, check out Google: these days they usually call themselves "portals", "resources", "directories", or "classified ads". Surf any of them, if you think that kind of site is where you'll find what you want. We won't be offended.
 

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hutcheson said:
What you're describing is not a new concept. We call them "free-for-all link farms". There are thousands of them already. If you need one, check out Google: these days they usually call themselves "portals", "resources", "directories", or "classified ads". Surf any of them, if you think that kind of site is where you'll find what you want. We won't be offended.

How do you see that??? I never said approve Every link. DMOZ standards of unique content would still be in play.

So here is the perfect example.
One of the biggest categories is the movie category. Currently the Popular Movie "sin city" is not listed. ONE person can not handle this category(although whoever does what they can). 20 people would probably have trouble keeping up with it. However movies interest thousands of people and I'm sure quite a few editors might enjoy movies too. This would increase the people working on this category and keep it up to date.

Can't find some of my other favorites either
Hitch
Collateral
Those are just 2 that popped in my head --I did this only in the Title section--The dmoz search was down again(go figure). So if they are listed in another category -sorry- who would look there anyways.
 

SiteTutor

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You have some good points there. When a movie comes out, it would make sense to list a fan site before the flick gets on HBO.
 

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Often a movie gets added when an editor goes to see it and likes it so much they set about creating a category. In all honesty submissions from the public are not as common as elsewhere. Therefore to create the category usually requires initial editor interest. Once created maintenance is not much of a problem there as few additional sites are suggested. I don't want to get into deep explanations here - it isn't the place - but every editor can, and many do, contribute to areas of the directory of this nature, which also includes other sections of the entertainment industry, regardless of their editing rights. We have a number of ways to encourage editors to contribute "globally" regardless of their rights or experience as an editor but you can't force any editor be be interested in something they aren't interested in!
 
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