My website wont list

Thank you

As explained before, none of our websites (none of the 104 website) have been listed, So its not only my own website i am concerned about.

Thank you for this help, i will procceed with this

Regards

Sophie

i heard all different excuses now, and i understand those, however that doesnt change the facht that 70% of all websites listed in estate agents, spain, Tenerife, are comming from the SAME ip address, so are hosted on the same server.. I dont need any other explanation , i found out myself a long time ago who is the editor of this section.

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There is no listed editor in that category. In fact, the nearest listed editor in the area is at the Spain level. The fact that the 70% of all real estate websites listed in Tenerife are hosted on the same server doesn't necessarily mean anything. Years ago, there were allegations of abuse in the Western Australia section of the directory, because the websites designed by a particular designer were being listed quickly and others were taking more time. There was no abuse, it's just that the designer in question only submitted sites with ample unique content and always submitted them to the right locality with good titles and descriptions.

tips

editor of that directory you will use for this..
/real estate/spain....



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Another year had been passed

Again another year had been passed,

we did add all our 105 afiliates with a real estate website to DMOZ directory in the last 24 months - Spain - Canary Islands

My domain had been added now 19 months ago

All other 105 estate agents websites had been added too, not 1 of them had been accepted. But i see constantly websites added that are build from that other company. as mentioned before

Still sure ? about your story guys, that everyting goes fine?

This Thread had been opened over 15 months ago, i heard somuch excuses, but i think dmoz should check the editors to see they do a fair job or not

Kisses, Hannelaure Dijon,,

The story is still as before. There are problems, there are always problems. The trick is to find them. You've said nothing that would suggest you've found a problem, and a great deal to suggest that we've already found the biggest problem in that neighborhood.

That's OK, this particular forum isn't for allegations of systematic abuse -- so when it comes down to it, even if you had evidence of that, we couldn't discuss it here. That's what the "report abuse" is for. Use it: if you find another problem, we'll be happy.

But let's be clear: not listing sites is NOT abuse, as such. Listing inappropriate sites, or being unfair with competitor's sites, IS abuse. Focus on what would matter to us: qualitative inconsistency. (Numbers are nothing: the same numbers are used to count diamonds and roaches...)

gratum said:

Still sure ? about your story guys, that everyting goes fine?

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Based on what I have read in this thread an on what I can see in DMOZ everything is going fine at the side of DMOZ.
Just one tip: did you ever read the DMOZ guidelines and the FAQ here at R-Z. Even if the answer is yes I would advise you to read them again and again until you understand how things work at DMOZ. If and when that happens you come back here and explain why your sites are not listed yet.

Hehe,

You really think i didnt read those ?

If you would check for real what is happening, you would see i am not wrong.

Kisses,

But i see constantly websites added that are build from that other company. as mentioned before

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See my earlier post from October -- the fact that absolutely none of your affiliates' sites get listed IMO points to there perhaps being a problem with either how/where you're submitting them or their listability.

You really think i didnt read those ?

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Then take a look at this:

http://dmoz.org/guidelines/include.html#spider

2.5 years

Still not ONE of our group of estate agents has been listed in DMOZ

we have now posted over 140 estate agents to the dmoz directory, and still not ONE has been listed

i must say, a very good organized directory

Tenerife has about 500 estate agents, 140 are with us, 50 are with some other design company.

from the 50 contracted with the other company, 35 are listed

of the 140 we have, not 1 is listed...

You guys still sure there is fraude here ?

I think you've received all of the answers that you are going to get from us here on this forum. If you have some concrete allegations of abuse, and you have the proof to back it up, please feel free to submit an Abuse Report.

Two and a half years you say. That would mean you started suggesting sites sometime after January 2005. Lets take a look at the category back then...
http://web.archive.org/web/20050101...ds/Tenerife/Business_and_Economy/Real_Estate/

and compare it with the current state of the category:
http://www.dmoz.org/Regional/Europe...ds/Tenerife/Business_and_Economy/Real_Estate/

I see about the same number of listings, and lots of them unchanged. So how about this for an explanation of what you're seeing:

Some time before January 2005 the "other company" had built a lot of their sites and had suggested then to the ODP.
Some time before January 2005 an editor took an interest in the category and considered the suggestions there in an unbiased manner, listed what he/she found to be listable. Then said editor lost interest in that category or even left the ODP altogether. Since then the category has gotten little attention and the sites you have suggested are still waiting in unreviewed. There are far more categories than there are volunteer editors, and until an editor decides to take an interest in that category I'm afraid things are likely to stay that way.

Gratum:

I don't edit in that geography, but I do a lot of real estate sites.

When I read what you have written, my first inclination is that it is entirely possible that the sites you are developing are missing something that the ODP views as mandatory.

Again, without having seen a single one of your sites, my first guess would be that you do not have the office address on each site -- office addresses are mandatory.

My second guess is that you are not adding enough unique content to whatever template you are selling. Remember that links and template content is not unique. Does every site you are developing clearly tell about the real estate agent, perhaps profiling them, with unique photos and perhaps even biorgrapical information. Remember, that an agent is an agent is an agent, but only Joe Smith is Joe smith, so if the webste tells the surfer who Joe Smith is and what Joe indivdiaully brings to the party, then you have taken a major step forward in terms of establishing uniqueness.

As an editor, when I review a templated real estate site, I don't consciously consider who the developing company is, but I do get familar enough to know wher the keep/hide the address,and what types of unique content they usually have. I don't make a list/no list decision based on the identity of the developer, but I do have expectations -- I know which developers are meticulous in their suggestions and which ones are very, very sloppy.

Hope this helped.

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Gratum:

I don't edit in that geography, but I do a lot of real estate sites.

When I read what you have written, my first inclination is that it is entirely possible that the sites you are developing are missing something that the ODP views as mandatory.

Again, without having seen a single one of your sites, my first guess would be that you do not have the office address on each site -- office addresses are mandatory.

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Actually, I don't quite agree with that. Even in real estate, office locations are necessary, but the full address may not be necessary. But, IMHO, most real estate submissions are lacking in (what we call) unique content.

3 years past now

3 years since we tried to add <url removed> to dmoz (april 2005)

Still not one of our clients are listed, mean while we have a database with over 300 estate agents, each of them manually listed to dmoz, all different website content.

Again the website builder competetion has new 4 clients, all 4 new websites are added, only not ours...


Is this really the idea how it should work ?

Kisses, Hannelaure

2 examples

you asked to put the websites here

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what is wrong witht he page ? it has address, it has different content, i dont get the clue here, hopefully the webmasters wont delete the domains again, so i really can give a clear answer to all our 300 estate agents, why they dont get listed in dmoz

Kind Regards

Hannelaure

How strange it may sound to you but the answers haven't changed during the last year so there is no need to repeat them. Just read what we have written before.

> hopefully the webmasters wont delete the domains again
I am sure one of the forum moderators will remove them as posting urls is prohibited.

BTW How happy are your customers when they click on "Directory" at the bottom of their website. I wouldn't be that happy when the guys that build my website placed a link to some porn page on my website.

>we have a database with over 300 estate agents, each of them manually listed to dmoz, all different website content.

I think that's all the evidence of abuse that anyone could want.

Probably it has already been noticed by the community.

But whether or not it has been noticed, you're free to build your database without the ODP community's involvement.

And the community can always build its database with whatever tools it finds most helpful (which is a description that may not describe your manual suggestions.)

It sounds like the clear answer you need to give your clients is, "Honestly, I didn't really create a website just for for you. I took your business card and put it into a database. Then I generated several pages of generic promotional material sprinkled with that business-card information. There are three hundred other people who have the exact same website, with different names and phone numbers. The Open Directory has a policy of not listing websites created that way, and the editors are pretty good at spotting them. In particular, they've apparently noticed my template, and so I expect none of these sites will never be listed there. Or even if they're listed, they could disappear at any time."

what a strange policy

3 years later, still not listed,, DMOZ does a great job...

Against policy to have a webdesign company that made over 300 websites for "different" estate agents is against the rules of DMOZ, inctent,lude different designs, different content, structure, php, asp, aspx, html , i dynt see any copy of any of them

So because our company created a success towards our clients, they dont have the right to publish their website in DMOZ

I find this very funny i must say,

Strange rules, DMOZ, is obviously how the system works !

contacting them, makes no sense at all !

they dont have the right to publish their website in DMOZ

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No website owner has the right to publish their website here. We're happy to receive listing suggestions but our editors evaluate them and decide whether or not to publish them.