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jonathanpark · Mar 16, 2007

Editors, this site is redirected to a parking page, please remove.
url: 99-online.com/trax/
category: Computers: Internet: Web Design and Development: Designers: Basic Service: T (1)

shadow575 · Mar 16, 2007

Taken care of thanks. Note for future reference we have a thread dedicated to this kind of quality control, feel free to post there: Report Hijacks, Dead Links, Inappropriate ODP Content, and other issues here ONLY.

Regards.

990nline · Mar 17, 2007

I am the owner of 99-online and i am really disappointed of such editors attitude. My domain is not redirected! We were just finishing work on our new design and for that reason the website was disabled. I noticed that the member of this forum "jonathanpark" is constantly reporting different domains. Hi might have some reason in doing such a strange thing. I think that the right thing would be before the removing the domain you should contact the owner first and discuss the situation.?

pvgool · Mar 17, 2007

No, owners of websites should take care that visitors can see what is happening with the website. The only place to do so is on the website itself. If a website is not online, redirects to something else or has some other problems one of the editors or a semi-automated tool will remove it, sometimes with the help of someone from the public but most of the times without.

990nline · Mar 17, 2007

pvgool said:
No, owners of websites should take care that visitors can see what is happening with the website. The only place to do so is on the website itself. If a website is not online, redirects to something else or has some other problems one of the editors or a semi-automated tool will remove it, sometimes with the help of someone from the public but most of the times without.

Even dmoz sometimes isn't acceptable. What would be your reaction if during such 24 hours period member "jonathanpark" will report you and very fast editor will remove you from any listings? I'm pretty sure you will be very disappointed!
Do you really thing that "jonathanpark" is right playing God and you obey his orders?

pvgool · Mar 17, 2007

He is not playing god. He is giving much appreciated help to DMOZ and its editors. And we certainly do not obey any orders. Not his and not yours.

990nline · Mar 17, 2007

pvgool said:
He is not playing god. He is giving much appreciated help to DMOZ and its editors. And we certainly do not obey any orders. Not his and not yours.

This is not real help. For some reason this guy doesn't like people and you help him in his dirty business.
I can give you an example. Someone can organise lets say a dos attack on Any website and the website wouldn't be able to function for some time. The same time such' "jonathanpark" contacting you and ask you to remove site from the listing because it's not working. Do you think that would be fair to remove the site?
Once again I want to say that for your reputation would be much better if before deleting the site you email the owner or at least monitor the site for a couple of days. Othervise in the nearest future such "jonathanparks" wil be blackmailing the site owners threatening them of dmoz listing removals.:icon_excl

pvgool · Mar 17, 2007

Once again. Noone can ask us to remove a site. But everybody can let us know that a site, and that is any site, is not working properly anymore. And we appreciate anybody willing to help us in such a way. Removal is always done by an editor after he checked if the site is realy not available.
There is a big difference between a dos attack and a site not being online as in your case.

When your site is back online you can suggest it again if the new site meets DMOZ guidelines.

990nline · Mar 17, 2007

pvgool said:
There is a big difference between a dos attack and a site not being online as in your case.

When your site is back online you can suggest it again if the new site meets DMOZ guidelines.

How do you know that my site wasn't attacked? You never know. Both sites will be in such unfortunate situation offline and you can't see the difference before proper checking.
The thing is that after "jonathanpark" has reported my site,moderator"shadow575" in 30 minutes deleted the site. Without any checking at all! Do you really think this is the right business model?
and yes....about your resubmission suggestion

. Thanks, now I will have to wait for years before be listed again. Thanks to "jonathanpark" and Co.

birdie · Mar 17, 2007

990nline said:
How do you know that my site wasn't attacked? You never know. Both sites will be in such unfortunate situation offline and you can't see the difference before proper checking.
The thing is that after "jonathanpark" has reported my site,moderator"shadow575" in 30 minutes deleted the site. Without any checking at all! Do you really think this is the right business model?

Who cares?? There is no site at the URL except a holding page. That makes it a useless resource for any site, directory (not just DMOZ) or search engine to include a link to it. Whether jonathanpark started a thread here on it or not, the link to it should be deleted. Why would any site want to send their visitors to a holding page for?

990nline · Mar 17, 2007

birdie said:
Who cares?? There is no site at the URL except a holding page. That makes it a useless resource for any site, directory (not just DMOZ) or search engine to include a link to it. Whether jonathanpark started a thread here on it or not, the link to it should be deleted. Why would any site want to send their visitors to a holding page for?

You do not understand. I am trying to say that some websites may have temporary problems (like 48 hours)and this is simply not fair to remove them for that.

hutcheson · Mar 17, 2007

Again, thanks to ALL visitors who have made valuable suggestions -- and a special thanks to those dozens of visitors (among whom we count jonathanpark) who have made a special effort to help with ODP's quality control.

There are many kinds of suggestions people can make -- but for quick return-on-investment, reports of bad listings (for dead or hijacked sites) are the most valuable of all. And anyone may see that's what we think -- because anyone may see how quickly someone follows up on most of those reports.

Like any other suggestion, no suggestion is guaranteed any particular response. It's the editor's judgment. But it's not that hard to figure out what we're basing those judgments on, and so some people who aren't editors have gotten very good at spotting things that an editor's judgment wouldn't approve.

And all the editors and all our users benefit. Thanks again for all the valuable suggestions.

hutcheson · Mar 17, 2007

By the way, we know what a holding page is, and if it gives a date for the site to return, we'll typically hold the suggestion in abeyance until after that date, then check again.

990nline · Mar 17, 2007

hutcheson said:
Again, thanks to ALL visitors who have made valuable suggestions -- and a special thanks to those dozens of visitors (among whom we count jonathanpark) who have made a special effort to help with ODP's quality control.

I can tell you the reason why this guy "jonathanpark"is so “helpful”
He looks for the expired domain names on different forums (domains that are dmoz listed, google pr, back links) and ask owners for ridiculously cheap prices. If they sell – everything is ok and if not – he contacts you and you - delete the listing. So eventually you all a working as a team, even if you don’t understand it.
I wouldn’t be too proud of such a member of community if I were you.

motsa · Mar 17, 2007

We're not looking at his motives because, really, his motives are irrelevant. He reported a listing that is returning a GoDaddy parked page at the moment. We want those sites removed from public view as soon as possible, as we would any expired domains that he or anyone else reports as well. I'm continually stunned by the number of sites that choose to completely disable their sites for days, weeks, or months while they redesign rather than completing their redesign while their old look is still up and running.

990nline · Mar 17, 2007

motsa said:
We're not looking at his motives because, really, his motives are irrelevant.

I do understand what you mean but please do not let yourself to become a tool that can be used to scam people. What I suggest is to Let at least 48 hours for the site before deleting after any "friendly"reporting. I will give you one more example: a couple of weeks ago godaddy hosting has been closed due to the massive dos attack and one of my sites(another one) for 2 days was showing 301 mistake. If you checked my site on that period do you think it would had been right think to delete my site out of dmoz?

motsa · Mar 17, 2007

It would have been appropriate to temporarily remove it from the live category, yes.

990nline · Mar 17, 2007

motsa said:
It would have been appropriate to temporarily remove it from the live category, yes.

What do you mean by Temporary? What is temporary?How many days? Who is going to check? Nothing is more permanent than "temporary"

P.S.
Why in this particular situation(regarding 99-0nline) you did not remove my site temporary but permanent?

pvgool · Mar 17, 2007

Temporary means that the listing is removed from public view but we keep a reminder for the editors to look at it within a few days / weeks (although if there are many sites with such a status that might become some months).

> Why in this particular situation you did not remove my site temporary but permanent
How do you know we didn't?
Don't ask us to tell you. That would be a status check and we don't answer such questions here at R-Z.

990nline · Mar 17, 2007

pvgool said:
Temporary means that the listing is removed from public view but we keep a reminder for the editors to look at it within a few days / weeks (although if there are many sites with such a status that might become some months).

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