requesting staus on www.rainbowwigs.com

I originally submitted a year ago under the rainbowtreehouse.com. Then several times after that. I don't know how many times. So..I have waited a long, long time.

This last time was under rainbowwigs.com as we have changed the name. My website has never been listed in the directory. There is no telling how much business I have lost due to this.

I am glad ODP has this forum <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

Sincerely,
Edward Thweatt
www.rainbowwigs.com

I can't see any trace that one of your sites has ever been touched by an editor. We need to know to what categories you submitted to, otherwise we can't let you know if your submission has been received. Please provide clickable links to these categories.

Dear senox,

Not sure if I am supposed to reply to this email or post in the forum. Anyway I will post in both to make sure.

I submitted to this category several times under rainbowtreehouse.com

http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Health/Beauty/Hair_Care/Wigs/

I just assumed that the editor was biased [snip] I did submit several times over a period of months. Does it strike anyone as peculiar that my site is listed everywhere but dmoz and have been for a year now?

Then I submitted under this one at least once for the same URL.

http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Health/Beauty/Hair_Care/Wigs/Fashion/

None of this worked so I submitted an application to be an editor a few days ago under the wigs/fashion to see if I could be an editor of wigs/fashion

Then a few days ago I submitted under www.rainbowwigs.com when we changed the name to the wigs/fashion category as well.

Today is the first day I have really addressed this issue fully as it doesn't seem right when I see all the many listings on other dmoz affiliate search engines for other wig companies.

Thanks for your response <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />. I am glad to see that there is a place to go for this.

Edward Thweatt
www.rainbowwigs.com

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There's one submission for rainbowtreehouse.com and one for rainbowwigs.com in the queue of http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Health/Beauty/Hair_Care/Wigs/ . The problem is that each time you re-submit a URL any previous submission to that category falls back to the end of the waiting queue (if sorted by date). This may explain why your sites haven't been touched yet.

One of your two submission should be deleted, I suppose the one for rainbowtreehouse.com?

As for http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Health/Beauty/Hair_Care/Wigs/Fashion/ , none of your sites has ever been submitted there as far as I could see. You should only submit to one category. Which is the right one?

What I can do here is to delete one of your submissions and move the remaining one to a more appropriate category for review in case you think you misplaced it. Just make sure you pick the right category!

If you think there's abuse of editing privileges somewhere please read this thread, but don't post any details or even editor names in resource-zone.com. Thanks.

Dear senox,

If you can move rainbowwigs.com to

http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Health/Beauty/Hair_Care/Wigs/

and delete the other one I would appreciate it. I am wondering about how long it will take to be reviewed and listed so I will know that is has been passed over AGAIN.
I am pretty sure it has been in the past because of some info I have about the editor that I cannot disclose since we are in the same business and deal with the same manufacturers.

Thank you for all your help <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />. This has given me hope.

Ed

Rainbowwigs.com is in a queue of about 50 sites, the other submission has been deleted.

It's not possible to tell you when your site will be reviewed, but you can ask again here in a few weeks. Please use the same thread, it will automatically be bumped to the top of the list.

Not sure if I am supposed to reply to this email or post in the forum. Anyway I will post in both to make sure.

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What email were you talking about in your second post?

&lt;added&gt;Can a moderator please check if the abuse allegations should be removed from the posts? Thanks.&lt;/added&gt;

Thanks so much senox. Your responses have certainly brightened my day and made these frustrations of not being listed more tolerable.

The email I was referring to is a feature you click at the bottom of this post where it says "Email all replies to my real email address"

Senox, I think rainbowsales meant to write:

Not sure if I am supposed to reply to this by email or post in the forum. Anyway I will post in both to make sure.


Easy misunderstanding. Darn English language!

OK it's been well over 3 months since I wrote in about my listing. It is still not listed.

Got this off an official page in Open Directory haha Why is it there?

http://dmoz.org/help/submit.html#howlong

"How long does it take for my site to be listed in the ODP?
Depending on the activity level of the editors in your area, it may take up to 2 weeks or more for your site to be reviewed."

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" ... it may take up to 2 weeks or more for your site to be reviewed"

Which is still true: it may take up to 2 weeks or more for your site to be reviewed. In some categories you may actually wait less than 2 days, in some others you may fall into the or more situation.

I have been in business for over ayear. I have heard all the excuses. This is shameful to say the least to allow others to profit off of excluding and delaying listings that are in the same industry. I am sure, 100% positive that it goes on all the time and DMOZ is lacking not only in credibility when "2 weeks or more" is stated and also in not policing it's own editors. There is no excuse when you are in business and you can plainly see that someone is purposely seeing to it that you don't make anything through a source that they have some control over. It is not something anyone can make excuses for. Money is money and if DMOZ can't show some ethics and clamp down on BOGUS editors then it reflects the entire organization.

I realize that my statement may upset someone however none of you can explain to me why I haven't made one red cent off of DMOZ abnd others are making????

Shameful and disgraceful. There should be time limits on getting a listing posted PERIOD. If the editor can't do the job then find someone else. They shouldn't be volunteering if they can't handle it.

Next someone is going to tell me that there are hundreds of websites selling WIGS that are standing in line. Too funny

Money is money and if DMOZ can't show some ethics and clamp down on BOGUS editors then it reflects the entire organization.
I realize that my statement may upset someone however none of you can explain to me why I haven't made one red cent off of DMOZ abnd others are making????

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Editors are volunteers - in most languages, that means "unpaid". You really think it's important to us that you make money off of our volunteer efforts? Too funny.

If somebody in the world doesn't come along and volunteer to edit in a category then it doesn't happen magically by itself. So instead of being part of the problem, why don't you be part of the solution. Why don't you volunteer to edit with dmoz. It seems to me you are expecting other people to volunteer and take care of things while you just sit back and rudely complain that the volunteers aren't making you money. Somethings really wrong with that picture.

Hmm, what is a bogus editor?

I have heard it said that anyone who contributes to the directory, even if they add one site, or edit one bad listing and improve it, per month, then as it is a step in the right direction it is all gratefully received.

Editors don't favour any sites or categories, they do the amount of editing they feel like doing, when they feel like doing it. I don't edit anywhere near the category in question so I can't help you directly. Even if the listed editor of that category is inactive, he isn't stopping anyone else applying to be a listed editor there. Additionally anyone who is listed higher up the tree automatically gets editing rights for everything below that point. Not only that, but also, any Editall or Meta editor can edit absolutely anywhere in the directory that they feel competant to do so. So, any category has well over 100 people that could edit there. However, with over half a million categories there can be many months before some get revisited. The directory adds over 5000 sites per week. Someone will review yours in due course. That's how it is.

There is no excuse when you are in business and you can plainly see that someone is purposely seeing to it that you don't make anything through a source that they have some control over.

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I know it seems as though it is "plain to see" but it isn't. You're presuming that the only reason that your site wouldn't have been listed immediately is that the listed editor of the category is a competitor and therefore abusing their position. Not every editor puts in a large amount of time editing, every good edit is one edit more than we would have had if that editor wasn't there. The fact of the matter is that you have the misfortune of dealing with a category where the editor is not very active (note that this is very different from being abusive). I'm sorry. But we don't promise you'll be listed in 2 weeks. Even the passage you keep quoting doesn't say that. We don't promise you'll be listed in any specific period of time at all. We're all volunteers here and someone will get to reviewing the sites in that category eventually. Believe me, there are categories a lot more backed up than this one. In the meantime, I think you're placing too much importance on an ODP listing. You should probably concentrate more on other SEO options that you have more control over.

&gt;&gt; There is no excuse when you are in business and you can plainly see that someone is purposely seeing to it that you don't make anything through a source that they have some control over.

If you think that someone is purposely delaying your listing in the ODP, please email any meta editor (myself included) bringing evidence of this.

If you just think that since you haven't been listed until now there "should" be something going on, you're off-base. There are actually more than 50 sites pending review in that category, and your site will be treated like any other site -- not more and not less.

&gt;&gt; Money is money and if DMOZ can't show some ethics and clamp down on BOGUS editors then it reflects the entire organization

I'm sorry I have to be straight to the point, but being a volunteer, and devoting my time for free both in editing activity (reviewing and listing sites) and in "related" activities like this Forum, I really don't care whether you, or anybody else, is making or losing money off a site. The ODP is not a service for webmasters and yuou are not guaranteed a listing, nor you are guaranteed how much time it'll take to be reviewed. Period. If your business model is "be listed in ODP", then you'd better rethink your business model.

And yes, I'm a bit upset when I see someone coming here with the 'ole mantra that "we are accountable for their losses or benefits". Fact is, we are not accountable for the success of your site. You are, and there's plenty of (paid) services which will guarantee you enough visibility, traffic, PR, or whatever you are looking for, in a relatively shorter timeframe. We don't. We just review and list sites for the benefit of the final user (the surfer), thus we don't feel and are not obliged to guarantee review timeframes to webmasters. Just take the possibility of inquiring about your submission status in this Forum as a gift we are pleased to offer to submitters. Other well-known SEs and Directories don't (have you ever tried to file a complaint with Google because their spider didn't pick up your xyz.htm page, or rank it as you wished ? Do you know of a FAST/ATW forum where you can ask about their spidering schedule? Is Yahoo providing a support forum or info for their non-paid listings?)

Please therefore reread the Forum Posting Guidelines. The status of your site is: pending review in the category. Period. You can come back in a month to request an update on this status. Further complaints will not be tolerated. Thank you.

And I'll just like to add the following quote from our Add URL page:

Please recognize that making the ODP a useful resource requires us to exercise broad editorial discretion in determining the content and structure of the directory. That discretion extends (but is not limited) to what sites to include, where in the directory sites are placed, whether and when to include more than one link to a site, when deep linking is appropriate, and the content of the title and description of the site. In addition, a site's placement in the directory is subject to change or deletion at any time at our sole discretion. You should not rely on any aspect of a site's inclusion in the directory. Please understand that an editor's exercise of discretion may not always treat all submissions equally. You may not always agree with our choices, but we hope you recognize that we do our best to make fair and reasonable decisions

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(Emphasis mine). In fact, "accusing" editors of bias is probably one way to slow down the review of your site - I know that I'm personally going to avoid the categories your submitted to like the plague in case I start being accused of something: therefore that's one less editor available to review your site.

Civil, polite and understanding messages MAY get your site reviewed just that little bit faster - whereas allegations will make editors loath to assist you.

"Editors are volunteers - in most languages, that means "unpaid". You really think it's important to us that you make money off of our volunteer efforts? Too funny."

Let's get this straight first of all. I am not going to play games with someone that has nothing to do with editing the category I am applying for but is taking up and standing up with someone of such low calibre as the person editing that category. Dp you have a business? Probably not so your retort is absolutely ridiculous to a business person. Especially when I myself have volunteered for the Shopping/Health/Beauty/Hair_Care/Wigs/Fashion/ category but was turned down because I have something to gain by it yet another wig company is editing the main category Shopping/Health/Beauty/Hair_Care/Wigs/. Two weeks??? How about over a year. Do you even bother to read my thread or are you just someone that likes to post on bulletin boards making people mad? How many listings have appeared in the category
Health/Beauty/Hair_Care/Wigs/Fashion/ in the last three months? Is this the type of editor you are claiming you would be? If so then you don't deserve an answer back ever again.