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Bidon

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oneeye said:
It is in the guidelines you should read before submitting a site and on the form you complete when you do submit - nothing to do with this forum. It is worth reading all the guidelines when submitting or you just waste your time and ours. And ultimately risk getting all sites with which you may have an association excluded. In the time it takes to reject one of those submissions we could have accepted a site, maybe your own, so when people complain about the length of time it takes for a site to get reviewed, you and others like you are, I'm afraid, the number one cause. I know you know better now but it is worth saying anyway for the benefit of the lurkers in this forum.

You can say all that but I notice that my _most direct competitor_ is listed in two different categories. I assume, if he is listed in two different categories, he APPLIED in two different categories. I also notice another competitor of mine who is listed under used machinery AND regional.

If you are threatening me with exclusion, why do you not exclude them???

I would be happy to supply their URLs. I assume you would rather get them by private message. How do I do that?
 

oneeye

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Two things:

It is not forbidden to have more than one listing - especially if one is in the Regional branch and one in a Topical branch such as Business.

BUT

It is a breach of guidelines to submit to more than one category. Exception (and you will see it around here from time to time) - an editor gives a submitter permission to submit to an additional category. There are specific instances where this might happen and at an editor's discretion.

So how do sites get more than one listing legitimately? Either as above - an editor says they can submit to an additional category; or an editor, in reviewing the site decides it warrants an additional listing and submits or lists it internally.

If you know of an URL listed twice in the same branch (e.g. Business) then post it here or in the Quality Control section of this forum. Someone will look at it and if one listing is in error then it will be dealt with. It does not mean the owner submitted twice necessarily - as above it could well be an editor action or error.

BTW I'm not threatening you with exclusion, just pointing out the guidelines provide for such a sanction. And it is used so you are taking a risk - since you don't know the circumstances of any other listings you can't make comparisons or assumptions.
 

Bidon

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oneeye said:
If you know of an URL listed twice in the same branch (e.g. Business) then post it here or in the Quality Control section of this forum. Someone will look at it and if one listing is in error then it will be dealt with. It does not mean the owner submitted twice necessarily - as above it could well be an editor action or error.

OK. I was trying to avoid doing this in public but, if you insist, I will.

www.equipnetdirect.com is in

http://dmoz.org/Business/Food_and_Related_Products/Tools_and_Equipment/Used_and_Remanufactured/

and

http://dmoz.org/Business/Industrial_Goods_and_Services/Machinery_and_Tools/Used_Machinery/

Now, please explain to me again EXACTLY why this was allowed?
 

oneeye

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Now, please explain to me again EXACTLY why this was allowed?
No, that isn't what happens. Someone will look at the situation, review the notes (which are confidential) and if there is an error correct it.
The regional listing is just where his warehouse is. His business is not regional. I don't understand why he is allowed to do this and I am not.
That's what Regional is about - where the bricks and mortar are. As I said before it is permissible to have a listing in Regional and one in Business. If the site fits both - an editor will decide. That site fits both, I see evidence of a physical presence - yours, as far as I can see, does not, it is an online only business behind a PO Box.
If I can find these, why can't you people find them?
We have 4 million sites and very little interest in your line of business. You on the other hand are very interested in your line of business. Who better to spot possible errors and let us know. Thanks, we'll check them out.
 

hutcheson

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We're always open to suggestions for improvement.

As to the first, what likely happened is that the two categories were far apart, although they should be thought of as "related". The best thing is to relate the categories. I've done that -- that resulted in a constructive act that will help surfers. (thanks!)

The other two sites are of businesses with whom you do not compete, so far as I can tell. Oneeye correctly explained the second. In the third case you hae your facts wrong -- the listing was in only one of those categories (but as it happens, IMO the wrong one: I moved it and added category links, and again for that helpful suggestion I thank you.) There was also a regional listing, as is nearly always appropriate for an entity with an inherent geographic locus.
 

Bidon

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hutcheson said:
As to the first, what likely happened is that the two categories were far apart, although they should be thought of as "related". The best thing is to relate the categories. I've done that -- that resulted in a constructive act that will help surfers. (thanks!).

But I still see Equipnet in the same two categories. I can't see any difference from before. I still do not understand why they get two categories.

hutcheson said:
The other two sites are of businesses with whom you do not compete, so far as I can tell.

That is incorrect. I know them both well and compete with both.

hutcheson said:
In the third case you have your facts wrong -- the listing was in only one of those categories (but as it happens, IMO the wrong one: I moved it and added category links, and again for that helpful suggestion I thank you.) .

The third case was CWR Resources. I still see CWR in
http://dmoz.org/Business/Food_and_Related_Products/Tools_and_Equipment/Used_and_Remanufactured/
and
http://dmoz.org/Business/Industrial...ery_and_Equipment/Wholesale_and_Distribution/

Why two categories?

hutcheson said:
There was also a regional listing, as is nearly always appropriate for an entity with an inherent geographic locus.

The regional listing was for Frain. Frain has an office like most companies have offices and it happens to be located in a certain town but that does not mean the company has a "regional locus." Frain sells internationally.

If Frain gets a regional listing then EVERYONE should get a regional listing. Everyone is located somewhere.
 

Bidon

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oneeye said:
No, that isn't what happens. Someone will look at the situation, review the notes (which are confidential) and if there is an error correct it.

That's what Regional is about - where the bricks and mortar are. As I said before it is permissible to have a listing in Regional and one in Business. If the site fits both - an editor will decide. That site fits both, I see evidence of a physical presence - yours, as far as I can see, does not, it is an online only business behind a PO Box.

Actually, we do own a warehouse in Hampshire where we transship and load. We pay real estate taxes in Hampshire. We employ five local people. Our street address is in there.

oneeye said:
We have 4 million sites and very little interest in your line of business. You on the other hand are very interested in your line of business. Who better to spot possible errors and let us know. Thanks, we'll check them out.

Are you telling me that you do not have a program that can detect duplicates in a database? I am sure every one of you editors is more computer savvy than I am and even _I_ know how to check for dupes in a database.
 

hutcheson

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Of course we can detect duplicates. But duplicates are often desirable for a number of reasons (not yours, but ours). Some categories ought to consist almost entirely of entries that are duplicated elsewhere.

"Focus" is not the same thing as "marketing area". Focus is where people go -- move their physical bodies -- to work or shop or play or worship. Focus is where marshals come to arrest people, where supplies are shipped to, stored, repackaged and shipped from. Your opinion of that concept of "focus" is not relevant: editors think some surfers will find it useful, and that's enough.

If you want us to know about your warehouse, you'll have to do what the other companies do -- put it on the website. I didn't see anything on the site that indicated you had a warehouse, let alone what you might be up to inside it. (Doesn't mean it wasn't there: but if it WAS there you might want to rethink your navigation.)

(The forums are really not about individual sites, they're about the ODP. So when people talk about individual sites, we give a response for the kind of site they describe -- which is often not the kind of site they really have. This may have lead to that common assumption that editors are stupid and gullible. But when we're editing, we check the website, and almost NEVER read the forum notes.)
 

Bidon

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hutcheson said:
Of course we can detect duplicates. But duplicates are often desirable for a number of reasons (not yours, but ours). Some categories ought to consist almost entirely of entries that are duplicated elsewhere.

But you have not explained why my competitors, Equipnet and CWR, each have two listings in related business categories. (I found another one too, http://www.machineryandequipment.com. Similar situation)

I thought you (or someone) said in a previous post that this was not allowed.
 

hutcheson

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>But you have not explained why my competitors, Equipnet and CWR, each have two listings in related business categories.

They got in under false pretenses. They did not mention that they were your competitors.
 

Bidon

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hutcheson said:
We're always open to suggestions for improvement.

OK. Explain this one to me. You have listed one of my competitors twice in the same category under different names:

http://dmoz.org/Business/Food_and_Related_Products/Tools_and_Equipment/Used_and_Remanufactured/


http://www.genemco.com/
and
http://www.food-processing-equipment.biz/

Two thinly disguised versions of the same company.

Why don't you give one of his slots to me???? How come he gets listed twice and I can't even get listed once?
 

Bidon

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hutcheson said:
>But you have not explained why my competitors, Equipnet and CWR, each have two listings in related business categories.

They got in under false pretenses. They did not mention that they were your competitors.

That would get them in once. But why twice?
 

Bidon

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bobrat]Looks like they snuck both of those in - and someone needs to kick one out. :mad: Well at least he didn said:
www.refrigeration-equipment.biz/[/url'] listed

So, how about giving me one of his slots?

Kind of like in those TV shows where the cops want the suspect to rat out his buddies and he asks "What's in it for me?"

I have already pointed out at least 4 mistakes (unjustifed double listings) you guys have made. Equipnetdirect.com, CWRresources.com, Machineryandequipment.com and now Genemco. (Regarding Frain, OK, he posted a picture of his warehouse on his website so that makes him "regional." If you want to play it that way, OK)

So how about it? Do I get one of Genemco's slots? I wouldn't mind being in that same category where his sites are. And you certainly can't claim that my site is less "unique" than his, since you allowed him to list two sites with essentially duplicate information.
 

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That is not the way it works.
As any human we can make mistakes. And we are always very happy when people help us to find these mistakes. But that will not help them to list their own site. You will have to wait until an editor (who very probably will not have read theis thread) will review your suggestion. When this will happen? Noone knows. Can be tomorrow, can be next week, month, year, or it could even take longer. You can only do one thing in relation to a DMOZ listing and that is wait.
 

oneeye

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since you allowed him to list two sites
We didn't allow him, he fooled an editor, or possibly took over another domain already listed. We constantly battle against such things but with over 4 million listings some will get away with it until an editor goes into the category to do some deep cleaning or someone such as yourself dobs them in. For which we are grateful but unfortunately it doesn't influence your own site review since it is highly unlikely anyone in this forum would carry out the review. As has been pointed out, there are no "slots". I understand your frustration but we are a voluntary "academic" project with no interest at all in marketing or who competes with who, not a commercial listing organisation.
 

Bidon

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oneeye said:
We didn't allow him, he fooled an editor, or possibly took over another domain already listed. We constantly battle against such things but with over 4 million listings some will get away with it until an editor goes into the category to do some deep cleaning or someone such as yourself dobs them in. For which we are grateful but unfortunately it doesn't influence your own site review since it is highly unlikely anyone in this forum would carry out the review. As has been pointed out, there are no "slots". I understand your frustration but we are a voluntary "academic" project with no interest at all in marketing or who competes with who, not a commercial listing organisation.

You say you are grateful but you guys can't even contact the editor in the used machinery category and get me a review? (Actually, since Equipnetdirect is in two categories, I should be in two also, right?)

You can't send somebody an email, editor to editor? I am listed in Yahoo and MSN Small Business. I don't see why I should have a problem getting into OPD.

You say you are an "academic" project, but when all these used machinery dealers have two listings in business categories, which is supposed to be against the rules, it looks to me like it might not be as academically pure as you claim it is.

It looks to me like there are no "rules" here. It is all arbitrary. You can do anything you want.
 
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