Status of http://www.ifxmarkets.com

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kgargum

Our company deals in a number of products, Forex being our main, would it not be possible for us to be listed in all the areas pertinent to us? One other thing to note is that we offer our services by phone as well as 'online' this is why an addition to the http://dmoz.org/Business/Investing/Commodities,_Futures/Forex/Brokerages/
area seemed logical.

I have also submitted http://www.ifxmarkets.com to the following area:

http://dmoz.org/Business/Investing/Commodities,_Futures/Precious_Metals/

as we also offer internet and telephone trading and hedging in base and percious metals.

-Again I thank you for your help.
 

spectregunner

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Let me give you a broad answer (I have not looked at your site).

You are generally allowed one listing in the single topical area that best describes your website. Note that I did not say company.

You cannot get separate listings for every aspect of your business, especially if they are broadly related. For example, an automobile dealer cannot expect to get a listing for their parts department. An antiques dealer cannot expect to get a listing for both rugs and lamps.

If fourex is the main part of your business, then that is where you will most likely be listed -- provided that is the impression one gets from your website. If an editor were to click on the website and on casual examination (no, the editors do not completely click through every site they visit) come away with the impression that your core business is rescuing puppies, then you will likely end up in a puppy rescue category -- regardless of where you think you should end up.

This is why we use human editors, rather than software programs to build our directory.

I hope this helps you understand the process. Your next step is to: first, determine the single best category that you realistically think your company should be listed in. Then make sure your website reflects that belief, then, if that is not where your site currently resides, sumbit a URL update. The final decision, however, resides with the editor.

Good luck in whatever decision you undertake.
 
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kgargum

Thanks for your response. I understand what you are saying, obviously it would be silly for an automobile dealer to get listed for tyres and breaks etc. But with our site, it is a bit more delicate. Our company provides 3 distinct services:

1. Forex (Foreign Exchange Trading)
2. Contracts for difference
3. Base and Precious metals trading and hedging

All 3 will attract different clientelle and have different regulations and requirements, we even have seperate subsections for each of the areas:

1. Forex http://www.ifxmarkets.com/ENG/FX_Home.asp

2. CFDs url=http://www.ifxmarkets.com/ENG/CFD_Home.asp

3. Metals http://www.ifxmarkets.com/ENG/MET_Home.asp

I am eager for our website to be listed in atleast the two following areas of DMOZ:

FOREX: http://dmoz.org/Business/Investing/Commodities,_Futures/Forex/Brokerages/

METALS: http://dmoz.org/Business/Investing/Commodities,_Futures/Precious_Metals/

-Again thank you for your patience and your help, you attention is greatly appreciated, and I hope I have not take too much of your time.
 
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musicfrisk

Let me give you a broad answer (I have not looked at your site).

You are generally allowed one listing in the single topical area that best describes your website. Note that I did not say company.

You cannot get separate listings for every aspect of your business, especially if they are broadly related. For example, an automobile dealer cannot expect to get a listing for their parts department. An antiques dealer cannot expect to get a listing for both rugs and lamps.

If fourex is the main part of your business, then that is where you will most likely be listed -- provided that is the impression one gets from your website. If an editor were to click on the website and on casual examination (no, the editors do not completely click through every site they visit) come away with the impression that your core business is rescuing puppies, then you will likely end up in a puppy rescue category -- regardless of where you think you should end up.

This is why we use human editors, rather than software programs to build our directory.

I hope this helps you understand the process. Your next step is to: first, determine the single best category that you realistically think your company should be listed in. Then make sure your website reflects that belief, then, if that is not where your site currently resides, sumbit a URL update. The final decision, however, resides with the editor.

Good luck in whatever decision you undertake.

This isn't my thread and I don't mean to offend anyone, but this answer truly bothers me. Not because of the answer itself, I can deal with any policy, but the reason it bothers me is because this policy is not applied consistently. I keep seeing this multiple listings aren't the norm cited as a reason for not listing. If you are truly sincere about this policy as listed above someone needs to spend the entire day today removing the 1,700+ entries for rollingstone.com if your statement is to be truly applied consistently! The majority of the entries are brief, non-value adding 50-100 word unorginal snippets that Rollingstone.com has listed that are nothing more than advertsing laden click throughs to generate profit for them when someone clicks on the non-substantive content and then leaves.

Small, growing businesses like Karim's are the backbone of our economy - it is shame that it appears that they are consistently given short shrift while large enterprises that add little or no value are given 1,700+ entries. If you deny his application for three entries, I would respectfully and sincerely ask that you remove the 1727 other rollingstone.com entries to be consistent with the stated policy. Thanks! :D


If there is a forum where this would be better, please feel free to lift and repost. Thanks!
 
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musicfrisk

I was hoping :) that someone might address the issue I raised here in regard Karim's request and my indication of a serious inconsistency that if true, needs to be addressed. Thanks! :star:
 
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musicfrisk

Could someone please advise as to where I could get this issue addressed?
 

brmehlman

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Answering the first question first, http://www.ifxmarkets.com offers ways to invest (or speculate) in several areas. Rather than listing the metals, the futures and the foreign exchange separately, we'll list the main site in the most appropriate category.

As to the second question, there are several reasons why the guidelines may be, or appear to be, inconsistently applied. The most common one is that they evolve. We often come up with a newer, better standard in some area and can't immediately bring thousands of listings into compliance in a day.
 
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musicfrisk

Answering the first question first, http://www.ifxmarkets.com offers ways to invest (or speculate) in several areas. Rather than listing the metals, the futures and the foreign exchange separately, we'll list the main site in the most appropriate category.

As to the second question, there are several reasons why the guidelines may be, or appear to be, inconsistently applied. The most common one is that they evolve. We often come up with a newer, better standard in some area and can't immediately bring thousands of listings into compliance in a day.

That makes sense, how/where do I put in a request to have that particular outrageous example brought into compliance? Thanks again.
 

brmehlman

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That example isn't as outrageous as it may look at first glance. In many cases, the Rolling Stone article is the only link we have (or one of a few) about some person or subject. Those will stay. In other cases, it will be too brief to add anything to what's already in other, more comprehensive listings. Those can go, but don't expect it to be a real high priority.
 

motsa

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Actually, it's more a case of asking that the issue of those links be investigated (which you've done here), not demanding that they be brought into compliance. The editorial decision may well be that we keep those links just as they are.

Regardless of any decision made about the Rolling Stone links, the site that this thread is about isn't going to get multiple listings.
 

pudsey

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So what you are basically saying is you have these policies but you might not decide to go with them if you do not feel like it?

I hope there wasnt money involved :cool:
 
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musicfrisk

Actually, it's more a case of asking that the issue of those links be investigated (which you've done here), not demanding that they be brought into compliance. The editorial decision may well be that we keep those links just as they are.

Regardless of any decision made about the Rolling Stone links, the site that this thread is about isn't going to get multiple listings.

To maintain the integrity tht DMOZ currently enjoys and should wish to maintain, I can think of no higher priority that bring ALL sites (not just the abuse in this example) in compliance with the same standard. I hope you chose to do the right thing in a prompt fashion. Thanks.
 

lachenm

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I hope this post will answer answer both pudsey and musicfrisk.

Although many sites have deeplinked content, they make up a small percentage of listed sites. Why are some sites chosen? It's not a question of money, but rather of content and contribution to the directory -- at the time the listing was most recently reviewed.

One critical point I hope you both will understand is that, in the ODP, there is room for editorial judgment. No site is guaranteed even one listing. Some sites may have more than one, if their content is judged by an editor to be valuable in a particular category. The need for editorial common-sense, instead of overly-rigid enforcement of the guidelines is present throughout the publicly available ODP Guidelines -- and is even in the introductory paragraphs on that page.

In other words, for any two given sites, the standards may be the same, and the application of the standards may be the same, but the outcome may be very different, due to the editor's judgment of the site's content and its contribution to an individual category. In this specific case, though, as you have already seen, the site will not get multiple listings.

I can think of no higher priority that bring ALL sites (not just the abuse in this example) in compliance with the same standard.

I suppose this depends on your point of view. Some people might agree with you. However, I'd also guess that a lot more of the people who post in these forums would prefer that we would work on adding as many of their sites as possible, instead of dropping everything to comb through all of the already-listed sites. I think many editors feel that it is a higher priority to list worthy sites and to delist defunct, hijacked, or otherwise nonfunctional sites, than it is to root out those listed sites that have somewhat less content than might be presently required for a new listing -- although each of these tasks is beneficial to the directory.

Remember, editors are volunteers, who can choose the tasks they wish to perform. If enough editors agree with you, then the sites will be delisted quickly. If, on the other hand, more editors feel (as I do) that these sites can be dealt with as we notice them (while we are engaged in other activities that are beneficial to the directory), it may take somewhat longer. If you wish to speed up the process, you may, as you have already done, make your own contribution to the ODP by pointing out sites which you believe should be investigated.

Thank you for contributing to the ODP.
 
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musicfrisk

I hope this post will answer answer both pudsey and musicfrisk.

Although many sites have deeplinked content, they make up a small percentage of listed sites. Why are some sites chosen? It's not a question of money, but rather of content and contribution to the directory -- at the time the listing was most recently reviewed.

One critical point I hope you both will understand is that, in the ODP, there is room for editorial judgment. No site is guaranteed even one listing. Some sites may have more than one, if their content is judged by an editor to be valuable in a particular category. The need for editorial common-sense, instead of overly-rigid enforcement of the guidelines is present throughout the publicly available ODP Guidelines -- and is even in the introductory paragraphs on that page.

In other words, for any two given sites, the standards may be the same, and the application of the standards may be the same, but the outcome may be very different, due to the editor's judgment of the site's content and its contribution to an individual category. In this specific case, though, as you have already seen, the site will not get multiple listings.

I can think of no higher priority that bring ALL sites (not just the abuse in this example) in compliance with the same standard.

I suppose this depends on your point of view. Some people might agree with you. However, I'd also guess that a lot more of the people who post in these forums would prefer that we would work on adding as many of their sites as possible, instead of dropping everything to comb through all of the already-listed sites. I think many editors feel that it is a higher priority to list worthy sites and to delist defunct, hijacked, or otherwise nonfunctional sites, than it is to root out those listed sites that have somewhat less content than might be presently required for a new listing -- although each of these tasks is beneficial to the directory.

Remember, editors are volunteers, who can choose the tasks they wish to perform. If enough editors agree with you, then the sites will be delisted quickly. If, on the other hand, more editors feel (as I do) that these sites can be dealt with as we notice them (while we are engaged in other activities that are beneficial to the directory), it may take somewhat longer. If you wish to speed up the process, you may, as you have already done, make your own contribution to the ODP by pointing out sites which you believe should be investigated.

Thank you for contributing to the ODP.

In other words it's too much effort to make it a consistent standard? To enforce a rule on Karim that you won't apply to others is unfair and ultimately if not rectified in a reasonable timeperiod, hypocritical.

Nobody has answered the question of how can this be effectively commicated to the people who ultimately should fix it.
 

motsa

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...how can this be effectively commicated to the people who ultimately should fix it.
You've done it. You've mentioned it here and that's all you can do. It will be discussed internally and any necessary actions will be taken when the discussion is complete.
 
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musicfrisk

...how can this be effectively commicated to the people who ultimately should fix it.
You've done it. You've mentioned it here and that's all you can do. It will be discussed internally and any necessary actions will be taken when the discussion is complete.

OK, that's all I can reasonably ask. :)

I'll bookmark and bump in a month or two. Please feel free to post an update anytime that discussion process leads to something in regards to clarification of this issue. Thanks again. :star:
 

I bet as a percentage of sites in ODP, the number of domains with multiple deeplinks is quite small.
 
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musicfrisk

I bet as a percentage of sites in ODP, the number of domains with multiple deeplinks is quite small.

While that may be true, it is not the issue here.

There are definitely examples of ones that need to be rectified, this just being one large example of that.
 
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