The RZ Reputation system

Qryztufre · Mar 9, 2007

This board is most frequented by editors, mods, and metas. Most of these members have the required post counts to have rep power...most of the regular member base however does not. So I was wondering if it would be possible to lower the limit to actually give rep to something that the casual user could obtain within a reasonable time. Maybe 25 posts?

I can only assume it's currently at the default, which would take me ages to reach, and I'd like to use it before then.

Of course, with the inherent nature of these boards it should likely not be too low...as random miscreants would push their post counts up just to knock editors down (I'm actually asking to help them get knocked up *smirk*)
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pvgool · Mar 9, 2007

Why would we need a reputation system?
I have seen it being misused on several other forums.
You can still give reputation. It will be for 0 points but the receiving person will be able to read your comment in his profile.

Qryztufre · Mar 9, 2007

pvgool said:
Why would we need a reputation system?
I have seen it being misused on several other forums.
You can still give reputation. It will be for 0 points but the receiving person will be able to read your comment in his profile.

I really don't know why the rep system is needed here...but it's turned on... *shrug* and I know I can give comments and that they would be worth 0. That's what I'm asking to change. I figure if it's going to be turned on, it might as well be utilized as best it can, and IMHO, the best way would be to lower the post limit, to allow more members to recieve rep-power.
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pvgool · Mar 9, 2007

> I figure if it's going to be turned on, it might as well be utilized as best it can
Hmm, maybe it is already utilized in the best way.
I'm interested to hear from any of the moderators.

shadow575 · Mar 9, 2007

Qryztufre said:
I really don't know why the rep system is needed here...but it's turned on... *shrug* and I know I can give comments and that they would be worth 0. That's what I'm asking to change. I figure if it's going to be turned on, it might as well be utilized as best it can, and IMHO, the best way would be to lower the post limit, to allow more members to recieve rep-power.
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FWIW, having it turned on, allows for nice comments to be given whether it adds to 'rep power' or not. I don't know why its on or why the levels are what they are. Personally I have sent a few positive reps out and received a few. Not really that important in this forum but I see no problem having it even if the points aren't accruing quickly. Still, I appreciate it when I check it (rarely) and see someone left a nice comment when I have been helpful. The points don't matter the sentiment is still appreciated.

Qryztufre · Mar 9, 2007

First, thanks for the application check

shadow575 said:
The points don't matter the sentiment is still appreciated.

*nod* I agree, and I actually check mine often...well, kind of. I subscribe to all the threads I post in (most without email) so I can track them better. The comments are on the same page, and on other forums I know, a good comment feels good, a good comment with a green (rather then grey) pip feels better

And that's why I posted the suggestion...with most members not having the required post count, it's just good

(Also, I'm more inclined to use the system when I know I'm giving +/- rep rather then null-rep).

In the end though, it's the site admin/mods who have the opinions that count on the matter (as pvgool pointed out).
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motsa · Mar 9, 2007

I really don't know why the rep system is needed here...but it's turned on... *shrug* and I know I can give comments and that they would be worth 0. That's what I'm asking to change. I figure if it's going to be turned on, it might as well be utilized as best it can, and IMHO, the best way would be to lower the post limit, to allow more members to recieve rep-power.

Quite honestly, my choice would be to turn it off completely. In fact, I've almost turned it off a couple of times.

Qryztufre · Mar 9, 2007

*pouts*

I'd rather have it on & hardly used then turned off completely, as shadow575 nice comments are nice now & again.

I just think it would be nice to see a few folks around with more then one pip.
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nea · Mar 10, 2007

Could somebody explain to me what you are talking about? I know you can comment on good posts. I have done it once or twice, and have received a couple of comments myself. Is there a number of posts you must make to be able to do that? And what does "reputation" mean in the context?

pvgool · Mar 10, 2007

Maybe you know somethings which I am going to write but to be complete I try to explain as much as possible.

At every posting you see a small green box under "post: 2,459" (your example), if you position the mouse over this box you see "nea is on a distinghuised road". This is your reputation.
Everybody can give reputation (the icon after #9 in your post). If you don't have enough postings teh reputation you are giving is always worth 0 points. If you have made enough posting you can give + and - points.
Look at your profile to see how many points I was able to give to you.

Some people like te recieve high reputations. But I have also seen a forum where you could not make new postings if your reputation was to low. Knowing that many people are not happy if we tell them things they don't want to hear (or don't tell what they want to hear) I prefer not to have such a reputation system here as it most probably will be abused.

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If you click on the reputation icon in your own post you will see how many reputation points you already have. I have 20.
Going to check who gave me those points

thehelper · Mar 11, 2007

The reputation system works quite well in my forums (games related) but as anything else if it becomes used heavily it can be abused and requires maintenance - plus members complaining about negative reputation can be a nag on admins and mods. Used correctly though it is very neat, imho.

motsa · Mar 11, 2007

The problem with the use of reputation here is that it's largely meaningless except as a vehicle for sending little notes to people about specific posts. This isn't a forum where non-editors generally help non-editors very much and so the reputation of non-editors is not something that's going to be helpful to other non-editors. And reputation differentiation between editors is not really necessary.

andrewchesshire · Mar 11, 2007

nea said:
Could somebody explain to me what you are talking about? I know you can comment on good posts. I have done it once or twice, and have received a couple of comments myself. Is there a number of posts you must make to be able to do that? And what does "reputation" mean in the context?

Mmmm! I sympathise with your view. The meaning of the distinguished road upon which we are all apparently travelling is not entirely clear. I wonder whether the meaning of all this is perhaps clearer on the other side of the Atlantic?

thehelper · Mar 11, 2007

Since it has always been on and nobody has complained that I know I would just suggest it get left on unless it becomes a problem. My 2 cents. The notes are cool.

Lurker · May 7, 2007

I think you should leave it on, globally. Individual members who wish not to participate always have the option to turn it off individually, if they so desire. The setting is in their User CP (Settings & Options, Edit Options, Show My Reputation Level). **edit** The ability for individuals to turn off reputation is currently disabled in RZ admincp.

We use it extensively on our forums and have even found the need to expand on it. Some users will turn it off and choose not to participate.

Personally, I have left several comments to the editors here. For the most part, it's a good system when utilized.

The only question I have is...who all has admin privileges? In other words...who all can see the identity of the rep poster?... all editors? If so, the rep system will not work on this board, as members want to know that they can leave (neg) rep comments anonymously without the fear of retribution (site delisted, editor application denial, etc).

I am pretty confident the admin(s) here would be above that. Nevertheless, it would be a concern to some members.

That's just my .02, from a fellow vBulletin owner/administrator.

motsa · May 7, 2007

The only question I have is...who all has admin privileges?

I would expect that who has the ability to do/see what would be something not generally shared publicly, wouldn't you think?

Lurker · May 7, 2007

I was not asking for a list a names.

What I meant was, do all editors have access to the administrator control panel where [what should be] anonymous comments can be uncloaked.

I know you all have post editing capabilities, but that can be done through your current member login or through the moderator control panel, without access to the administrator control panel.

It's a fair question, as it pertains to the sanctity and anonymity of user reputation comments given by your members.

motsa · May 7, 2007

I understood what you were asking for. Expect that R-Z Administrators can do everything, Moderators can do almost everything, and registered Members can do some things. Everyone else falls somewhere in between.

Lurker · May 7, 2007

I understand the role of admins, moderators and members, as I am an avid vBulletin user/admin/moderator/member myself.

The question that I am asking is...

Do all editors on Resource Zone have access to the admin control panel?

It's only fair that members understand that the comments they leave through the reputation comment system, whether positive or negative, are or are not anonymous, don't you think?

I feel like we are going in circles here. Again, it's a fair question.

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I see you edited your post. That helps a bit. Thanks.

TareeInternet · May 22, 2007

Glad i saw this, didn't realise Rep was on so i went and repped 2 people that have helped me.

The RZ Reputation system

Qryztufre

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pvgool

kEditall/kCatmv

Qryztufre

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pvgool

kEditall/kCatmv

shadow575

kEditall/kCatmv

Qryztufre

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motsa

Qryztufre

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nea

Meta & kMeta

pvgool

kEditall/kCatmv

thehelper

Member

motsa

andrewchesshire

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thehelper

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Lurker

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motsa

Lurker

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motsa

Lurker

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TareeInternet

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