Unhappy with DMOZ

WRMineo

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dermotz - you'll have to bear with me and please take no offense; not knowing me this may come across patronizing or derogatory and if so, I apologize in advance.

But having read through this entire thread as its extension of your discussion of the same in another thread, I'm going to make some unwarranted, uneducated, unsolicited gut checks:

Your biggest beef is what your perceive the power of the OPD/DMOZ has on Google and Alexa?

Your zest on this quest began in one of two ways probably: You want a higher Alexa ranking; and/or, your "research" is mainly from a single source, likely a trusted friend/colleague or one they've pointed your towards.

You seem very intelligent, eager and even business savvy; so here's my BLUF (bottom line up front):

Back to the original point at hand IMO - the use of externally collected data, internal manipulation of that data, reliance on an outside party(ies) for the data, et al is a failure of the entity gathering, using and relying upon it in my book.

You can't tell Encyclopaedia Britannica that they must list every possible reference to each category, subcategory, subject, topic .... you see where that's going - a full set of that would require its own warehouse too.

Twisting that scenario just a bit - a public library has a website; it's public domain and you may quote, link, etc. to/with it all day long - the library can't control how you use the information, or force you to use it within "x" criterion.

Google Directory, AOL, Comcast, Alexa and so many others use ODP data - all openly stating that they're getting the information from DMOZ as their basis of information (directory, categories, subs, listings, etc) but they apply their own standards and enhancements (filtering) to the data. (I can give you an Excel spreadsheet full of data - you could filter, sort, appy formulas, functions, etc. from there). Google's directory for example is an RDF dump of ODP/DMOZ, but then they tweak so that the default sort if by PR, their branding twist.

Alexa takes Google and DMOZ information and then tweaks it to meet their interest and goals, which is to datamine and push more products and services out of Amazon.com.

If you're not happy with how Alexa or Google is applying the data that they get, then focusing your attention at ODP is misdirected energy I think.

A little reading and research will go a long way in better understanding the issues instead of trying to remain steadfast to the theory and formula (what engines use in ranking from other thread) without additional information, resouces, examples ...
 
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Eric-the-Bun said:
If no one is interested enough in the subject to meet the requirements to work in the category, then diverting people from more popular areas seems pointless. Hopefully it means that the people interested in that subject are well served by other mechanisms and thus it is more sensible for us to keep on adding sites on the wide variety of more popular subjects.

regards

Hello, I am new around here and I wanted to point out that people may become interested in the subject due to some mechanisms, as you say. The one mechanism is money. It drives almost everything, in terms of interest.
 

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I get all my money from working in my business, I edit for the fun of building useful categories for the Internet community, the seekers of information.

I enjoy building things that I feel are worthwhile, and having the freedom to work when and where I choose to, and being trusted with the responsibilities, so money isn't a motivator for myself or I believe most editors.

I think the keys words are freedom and trust, :), money is a corruptor and I don't think it would be a good thing to introduce into the Directory.

Added - Welcome to the forum. :)
 

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@ massage parlour:
Did you notice that this was a 1 year old thread? It´s perhaps better to start a new instead of waking up a sleeping thread.
 
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