Whoa, A thread I was following dissappeared...
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That thread began rather far outside the bound of our forum policies, and then went ballistic.
We don't discuss specific editor removals, but the policies that govern most removals are described in the meta guidelines (which are public.) Admin/root privileges are in the process of being codified, but the vast majority of removals are done through the meta process. It is not perfect, nor is it always executed perfectly -- so we don't publicize its allegations no matter how strong we think our evidence is.
There is no formal appeal process, but admin/root can overrule a meta consensus -- and very very very occasionally they do.
It is nearly always better to look for some other way of helping achieve your goals (altruistic or otherwise) -- there are many other opportunities on the net (or off it.)
We don't discuss specific editor removals, but the policies that govern most removals are described in the meta guidelines (which are public.) Admin/root privileges are in the process of being codified, but the vast majority of removals are done through the meta process. It is not perfect, nor is it always executed perfectly -- so we don't publicize its allegations no matter how strong we think our evidence is.
There is no formal appeal process, but admin/root can overrule a meta consensus -- and very very very occasionally they do.
It is nearly always better to look for some other way of helping achieve your goals (altruistic or otherwise) -- there are many other opportunities on the net (or off it.)
idleplay said:
Probably for the same reason people volunteer for any large non profit organization. The ability to be part of something larger than yourself. The satisfaction of helping others, contributing, and a sense of belonging. The sense that you are being affective and involved in something you're interested in. For some I'm sure it has to do with control. But I surmise that the former is primary.
No.... really.... why do people do it? 
- It's weird, every editor I speak to in person tells me it's to work their way up the cats and get their sites listed - yet everyone online gives the same answer as you did... Strange... maybe people are more honest in person.
If I were expunged from a large no profit organisation i'd slowly raise the middle finger and tell them it's their loss - not get livid about it. Either that or i'd retaliate in a childish manner - it would depend what i'd been drinking that evening.
Anyway! long live the ODP!
By the way, do you think I would make a good editor?
- It's weird, every editor I speak to in person tells me it's to work their way up the cats and get their sites listed - yet everyone online gives the same answer as you did... Strange... maybe people are more honest in person.If I were expunged from a large no profit organisation i'd slowly raise the middle finger and tell them it's their loss - not get livid about it. Either that or i'd retaliate in a childish manner - it would depend what i'd been drinking that evening.
Anyway! long live the ODP!
By the way, do you think I would make a good editor?
>> No.... really.... why do people do it? - It's weird, every editor I speak to in person tells me it's to work their way up the cats and get their sites listed - yet everyone online gives the same answer as you did... Strange... maybe people are more honest in person.
Or maybe you just hang with a really shady crowd. Most of the editors who give of their time to post in places like this are compulsive editors, i.e. they edit because they can't not edit. I started editing because it seemed more useful than compiling my links collections on my own site. I continue editing for the same reasons.
>> By the way, do you think I would make a good editor?
A good editor would report abuse that they know is happening.
Or maybe you just hang with a really shady crowd.
Most of the editors who give of their time to post in places like this are compulsive editors, i.e. they edit because they can't not edit. I started editing because it seemed more useful than compiling my links collections on my own site. I continue editing for the same reasons.>> By the way, do you think I would make a good editor?
A good editor would report abuse that they know is happening.
The question is not "Why do some people index things?" The answer is partly "because they are there" and partly "because they might as well NOT be there if people can't find them."
I think it's one of those things that's hardwired into (some) human minds. An pathogenic society funnels those minds into compiling dossiers on politically suspect kindergarteners, or collecting baseball cards, or rearranging dishes in china cabinets in antiseptic parlors.
A successful society invents librarians.
This isn't the only such uncommon skill that's (potentially) valuable, (potentially) pervertible, and easy enough to waste. I have no ear or talent for poetry -- I can't imagine what I'm missing. And, of course, some societies foster epic poems, while others subsidize radio commercials.
You poets: don't try to explain to me what you do, or why you do it, or why anyone should care whether it's done, or what it means for it to be done well, or why anyone should care whether it's done well. I wouldn't understand it anyway. I do you the courtesy of assuming it's important in poetry, as in anything else, to do some good thing well -- and I do you the honor of recognizing that you might well have chosen instead to do some vile thing poorly, as some of of your own fellow-poets have done.
And I, on the other hand, won't burden you with the goals, challenges, and thrill of creating a taxonomy comparable to the Dewey Decimal System.
I think it's one of those things that's hardwired into (some) human minds. An pathogenic society funnels those minds into compiling dossiers on politically suspect kindergarteners, or collecting baseball cards, or rearranging dishes in china cabinets in antiseptic parlors.
A successful society invents librarians.
This isn't the only such uncommon skill that's (potentially) valuable, (potentially) pervertible, and easy enough to waste. I have no ear or talent for poetry -- I can't imagine what I'm missing. And, of course, some societies foster epic poems, while others subsidize radio commercials.
You poets: don't try to explain to me what you do, or why you do it, or why anyone should care whether it's done, or what it means for it to be done well, or why anyone should care whether it's done well. I wouldn't understand it anyway. I do you the courtesy of assuming it's important in poetry, as in anything else, to do some good thing well -- and I do you the honor of recognizing that you might well have chosen instead to do some vile thing poorly, as some of of your own fellow-poets have done.
And I, on the other hand, won't burden you with the goals, challenges, and thrill of creating a taxonomy comparable to the Dewey Decimal System.
The ODP will never be comparable to the DDC unless people get off their ass and keep it up to date.
I guess the Poet analogy explains it pretty well though. I'll just shut up now and not try to understand your way of thinking
Luggagebase - Do you think i'd be incapable of editing because I question peoples motives? I'm just being honest - I could sit here writing well written applications all day long but choose not to... I genuinely believe the majority of editors have an ulterior motive - non of the guys here as they're obviously interested in helping people out - but a very large selection of the 100's left will be in it for personal gain, probably financial.
Dogbows - I'm not getting into this one as you're so cute but i've met a lot of editors at particular events, on different occasions and that's the impression they give.
Motsa - Keep trying, I might actually report the abuse - but no, i'm not going to drop people in it for adding the odd site every now and again if they're doing the job - if I see of hear or blatant abuse, then yeah, i'll report it.
Anyway, it's 9am - I have to get to the day job, then 4 hours college then come home to work on my own company! Busy day!
Have a nice day everyone.
I guess the Poet analogy explains it pretty well though. I'll just shut up now and not try to understand your way of thinking
Luggagebase - Do you think i'd be incapable of editing because I question peoples motives? I'm just being honest - I could sit here writing well written applications all day long but choose not to... I genuinely believe the majority of editors have an ulterior motive - non of the guys here as they're obviously interested in helping people out - but a very large selection of the 100's left will be in it for personal gain, probably financial.
Dogbows - I'm not getting into this one as you're so cute
but i've met a lot of editors at particular events, on different occasions and that's the impression they give. Motsa - Keep trying, I might actually report the abuse
- but no, i'm not going to drop people in it for adding the odd site every now and again if they're doing the job - if I see of hear or blatant abuse, then yeah, i'll report it.Anyway, it's 9am - I have to get to the day job, then 4 hours college then come home to work on my own company! Busy day!
Have a nice day everyone.
>> no, i'm not going to drop people in it for adding the odd site every now and again if they're doing the job - if I see of hear or blatant abuse, then yeah, i'll report it.
Good on ya. BTW It wouldn't be considered abuse if they were doing their job while also adding their sites where they belong. It *would* be abuse if they were only listing their sites and/or listing them where they didn't belong and/or listing them with inappropriate titles or descriptions.
Good on ya.
BTW It wouldn't be considered abuse if they were doing their job while also adding their sites where they belong. It *would* be abuse if they were only listing their sites and/or listing them where they didn't belong and/or listing them with inappropriate titles or descriptions.
>The ODP will never be comparable to the DDC ,,,
The DDC is, of course, a category-only structure. The ODP taxonomy is ALREADY comparable to it: in size and comprehensiveness. And your sixth-grade teacher probably didn't tell you this, but the DDC requires updates (which they publish every few years.) The ODP taxonomy is updated every WEEK. (You get spoiled by internet time -- how would you like to wait a decade for a category for your site?) The ODP taxonomy is more flexible in several ways than the DDC: with easy category adding at any point, easy category rearranging, and automatic category aliases (more like the Library of Congress Cataloging System in that respect.)
All three systems have "about half-a-milion" named categories, and standard templates for an indefinite number of subcategories beyond that.
The DDC is, of course, a category-only structure. The ODP taxonomy is ALREADY comparable to it: in size and comprehensiveness. And your sixth-grade teacher probably didn't tell you this, but the DDC requires updates (which they publish every few years.) The ODP taxonomy is updated every WEEK. (You get spoiled by internet time -- how would you like to wait a decade for a category for your site?) The ODP taxonomy is more flexible in several ways than the DDC: with easy category adding at any point, easy category rearranging, and automatic category aliases (more like the Library of Congress Cataloging System in that respect.)
All three systems have "about half-a-milion" named categories, and standard templates for an indefinite number of subcategories beyond that.
Yeah, I know the DDC requires updates, which is why I made the comment about the ODP needing to be kept up to date to compare... was just having a joke, must be my warped sense of humour.
So the ODP - does it take all the editors mods/additions and update them on a weekly basis then? I was under the impression editors could make live changes?
So the ODP - does it take all the editors mods/additions and update them on a weekly basis then? I was under the impression editors could make live changes?
