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kevin_svek Newbie

kevin_svek

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Thanks

 

Interesting about shadowline-lingerie - still doesn't work for me but domain history shows registered until april 2006 anyway so must be a problem my end.

 

Not so sure about http://www.intimatemoods.com/ to me it doesn't belong in lingerie (But only my opinion!) since it seems to be a party plan site rather than a lingerie site I agree that there is an online shop at the end of the line when you drill down but the main site is actually promoting a party plan scheme - again my opinion but lingerie doesn't normally include "This site contains sexualy explicit material" in it's terms and conditions

 

Regards

 

Kevin

kritiphotis Newbie

kritiphotis

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Title: Kavi Club

URL: http://www.kavi.gr/

Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Greece/Prefectures/Heraklion/Travel_and_Tourism/Travel_Services/Travel_Agents/

 

----------- is of the same company with:

 

Title: Greekhotels. gr

URL: http://www.greekhotels.gr/

Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Greece/Travel_and_Tourism/Lodging/Lodging_Guides/

 

----------- is of the same company with:

 

Title: Greek Ferries

URL: http://www.greece-ferries.com/

Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Greece/Travel_and_Tourism/Travel_Services/

 

Owner of the sites is the travel agency http://www.kavi.gr/ that owns also the sites:

- http://www.eco.gr

- http://www.greekferries.gr/

 

Hi, I'm new in this forum, and I'm new in this business, so please forgive me if I blunder. I've read the FAQ but can't seem to find directions how to deal with this. That's why I try here.

 

I've recently been hired for SEO work related to the above sites. glynos63 seems to suggest that there is something not correct with them. He's right that they belong to the same company, but in it self that cannot be a problem, can it? The sites have different content and represent the different services that this company offers.

 

Kavi.gr is a general Greek tourism website offering packages to tourists, focusing on group arrangements.

 

Greekhotels.gr is a directory of hotels in Greece.

 

Greece-ferries.com provides information about the Greek islands and how to get there by ferry (basically the only way to get to most of the islands).

 

Greekferries.gr provides information about the international ferry lines between Italy and Greece, with online reservation possibility.

 

Eco.gr is the holding company's (Ecoworld S.A.) website with company and contact information. It's a Greek thing, don't ask... ;)

 

These last 2 have never been in the DMOZ as far as I can determine.

 

I'm not totally sure how the system works, being a newbie, but what strikes me is that glynos63 comes in on June 16th, hangs around for 4 months and then completely disappears (since October 11th, 2005). In those 4 months he takes it upon himself to "clean out" the Greek section? Could we have become the victim of an over-zealous member with possibly a dose of self-interest (see his posting in http://resource-zone.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=39908)?

 

If we have broken the ODP guidelines, I accept being kicked out of the dmoz for those sites (only kavi.gr remains now). But they _are_ different sites, they provide a different service and they cater for a different public, so I think they deserve an individual listing. Just because glynos63 is of the opinion that 1 site should contain _all_ the services of a given company and goes on a crusade to get the infidels banned, it doesn't mean that he is right. Would you ban http://www.live.com, http://www.hotmail.com, http://www.msn.com from the directory because they all belong to microsoft.com? I rest my case in the editors' hands...

 

With best regards,

 

photis

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arubin Newbie

arubin

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re item 2256

 

Without looking at your sites, but if your descriptions are accurate, and there's not too much interlinking or referral spam...

 

Kavi.gr may be listable as a travel agent

 

greekhotels.gr is probably not listable. We've already got a list of hotels... [cat]Regional/Europe/Greece/Travel_and_Tourism/Lodging/Hotels[/cat] and subcats. Normally, hotel lists provided by travel agents are just links back so you can book the room though that agent.

 

Greece-ferries.com and Greekferries.gr might be listable under Transportation, provided that there is significant information about the services not readily found elsewhere. Remember the DMOZ mantra: Unique Content.

 

eco.gr is probably not listable -- but, depending on layout, the editors might prefer eco.gr to kavi.gr.

 

It should be pointed out that, although I can edit in [cat]Regional/Europe/Greece[/cat], I haven't, in part because of your note

It's a Greek thing.

 

And ... you're not Microsoft.

eyecon Newbie

eyecon

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http://dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Abuse/Spam/Preventing/

 

http://www.bumpymail.com/

Dead Link

 

Messenger Guard - Offers software to prevent messenger service pop-up spam.

deskon.com

Dead Link

 

http://www.removemenow.com/

SCAM!!!

 

Spam Vampire

http://www.hillscapital.com/antispam/

Redirect

 

http://www.spammotel.com/

How on earth did this EVER get listed?

 

Spam.org - redirect to spam.org. The listing just needs a tweak.

 

http://www.slappsuit.com/

One Page advertisement for a documentary in production

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha

Is this in policy?

eyecon Newbie

eyecon

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http://dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Abuse/Spam/

 

Cost Those Spammers Money

http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~atman/spam/: Last updated four years ago.

"Newsflash" (2002) link is for a diet plan. Eat more Spam perhaps -;)

Two of the three "mirror" links are dead

 

Curt West - Description of spam, contact information for some ISPs, and free e-mail.

http://beers66.tripod.com/

Now a John Entwistle Tribute

 

E-Mail Spamming Countermeasures

http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/bulletins/i-005c.shtml

Outdated (1997) DOE Bulletin

 

Historical Spam Museum and Archive -

http://www.bin.sh/spam/index.html

Statistical site. Outdated; "Last 12 months" ended 8/2004

 

http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html

Article written four years ago

No longer accurate.

 

http://thespamletters.com/

Inane replies to spam that will never get read. Last "letter" two years ago.

 

Spam Statistics

http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Foothills/5718/

"refresh" Redirect to porn directory with several pop-=ups

 

Spam and the world will Spam with you

http://www.juicycerebellum.com/spam.htm

A pro-spam rant written (poorly) seven years ago.

 

Stop Spam Now

http://members.tripod.com/~johnmlee/stopspamnow.html

Last updated seven years ago. No longer accurate. Applet

broke firefox. Spawned 20 or more pop-ups (some scams) in Mozilla

eyecon Newbie

eyecon

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http://dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Abuse/Spam/Filtering/

 

AppRiver

http://www.appriver.com/arm/novell_exchange.htm

Apparently (according to Firefox) broken redirect

 

Bright Mail

http://www.brightmail.com/

Redirect

 

Despammed

http://www.despammed.com/

Dead

 

Dynacomm

http://www.dciseries.com/products/ifilter/

Redirect

 

Email Filtering

http://www.emailfiltering.co.uk/

Redirect

 

Email Sifter

http://www.emailsifter.com/

Redirect

 

EMF Systems

http://www.emf-systems.com/

Redirect (same as Email Filtering)

 

Filter Spam

http://www.filterspam.co.uk/index.html

SCAM

 

Mail Zapper

http://www.mailzapper.com/

Redirect

 

Pyzor

http://pyzor.sourceforge.net/

Open Source Project that has not been updated in four years.

 

Sender Policy Framework

http://spf.pobox.com/

Redirect

 

Spam Resistor

http://www.spamresistor.com/

Redirect

jeanmanco Newbie

jeanmanco

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#2259 dealt with, except for:

Remove Me Now!

SpamMotel

 

Remove Me Now! has a notice at the bottom "If you have been sent to this website by a link or other reference in an unsolicited communication to get "removed", it is a hoax, intentionally initiated by the person or persons who actually sent the communication. Remove Me Now does not send unsolicited email or participate in any promotions by third-parties or email marketers."

 

As I am not an expert in the field, I am leaving these in hopes that one of our computers editors will take a look.

 

Links to suitable articles in Wikipedia are perfectly acceptable. You will find many of them in the Open Directory.

jeanmanco Newbie

jeanmanco

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By the way, it is helpful to editors if you give a clickable link to the directory category (rather than putting it in your post title). I know that you were just copying another post in this thread. But a clickable link gets us to the category faster.

 

We don't need live links to the sites themselves, as we can check those from within the category. Just the listing title would be fine. Some posters prefer not to give links to sites, as these will lead search engines to dead sites, etc.

 

But you are doing a great job! Thanks. :)

jeanmanco Newbie

jeanmanco

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#2261 dealt with, thanks.

 

Leaving Pyzor, as I presume it still works as software.

Leaving Filterspam, as there is nothing on the site to indicate that it is a scam. Naturally there wouldn't be! But it does supply an address and privacy policy.

eyecon Newbie

eyecon

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#2259 dealt with, except for:

Remove Me Now!

SpamMotel

 

Remove Me Now! has a notice at the bottom "If you have been sent to this website by a link or other reference in an unsolicited communication to get "removed", it is a hoax, intentionally initiated by the person or persons who actually sent the communication. Remove Me Now does not send unsolicited email or participate in any promotions by third-parties or email marketers."

 

It's a scam. There are lots of these around. Note there is no description of what they do and how they do it. "A provisional patent has been issued on our system by the U.S. Patent & Trademark Office" is pure hokum. To the best of my knowledge there is no such thing (there are provision patent applications).

 

"In addition to quickly removing you from spammers' mailing lists, and protecting you from future spam, we also cut into their spamming revenue by bouncing back their messages"

 

Utter nonsense. "Opting out" is far more likely to confirm an email address than to reduce spam. Bouncing spam (rather than a 55x rejection) is called "backscatter" http://tqmcube.com/spamdef.php

 

Legitimate companies don't have a whois record that looks like this:

 

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:

BASIC COMMUNICATIONS solutions397@yahoo.com

PO BOX 48614

LOS ANGELES, CA 90048-0614

US

323 931 0421 fax: 123 123 1234

 

 

PO Box and Yahoo email. They are supposedly in the spam business. Providing a virtual email address is preposterous. Note that there is no contact name. How comfortable would you be providing them with a credit card?

eyecon Newbie

eyecon

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A Note on Various Anti-spam Listings (Opinion)

 

Substantial free open source resources exist for combatting spam. Moreover, the data to eliminate spam (which is used by servers and open source solutions like Spam Assassin) is also free from the likes of SpamCop, SpamBag, SORBS, TQMcube, SPEWS, Spamhaus and others.

 

Commercial solutions are often - if not usually - purchased by those who don't know any better. Historically, some of these have even been used to harvest email addresses which are then sold to spammers.

 

Therefore, I would like to politely suggest that these categories MIGHT serve people better if they were separated into commercial and non-commercial listings.

 

. . . just a thought.

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Callimachus Newbie

Callimachus

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Some sites containing articles, reference documents and such are useful from a historical perspective even if not the "latest and greatest" on a topic such as the article on Bayesian filtering. Even the pro-spam rant is legitimate if distasteful. These should be moved into Computers/Internet/Abuse/Spam/Articles/ (which apparently didn't exist when the category charter was written).

ODP Editor callimachus

Any opinions expressed are my own, and do not represent an official opinion or communication from the ODP.

Private messages asking for submission status or preferential treatment will be ignored.

eyecon Newbie

eyecon

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Some sites containing articles, reference documents and such are useful from a historical perspective

 

If I understand the criteria correctly, if a site claims to be current then it should be current. "In rare instances, a site that used to be current may still contain valuable articles, links and other resources. For example, an antiques newsletter that hasn't been updated in 2 years may still contain valuable articles and information on antique buying and appraisal. "

 

That SEEMS to suggest (although sometimes this is like Talmudic study) that archival value is based upon the CURRENT value of older content. That wouldn't seem to apply in the sited <sic> example.

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