Clarification on Submission Rules

Yep, it is all pet supplies. But it makes a big difference to those of us who cater to the grooming industry and those of us that cater to the individual pet owner. That is why I asked the question in an earlier discussion in this thread. If you could be listed twice if you catered to two different markets.
I do intend to have a site that does indeed cater to pet owners and pet owners alone. No Show Bows on my site. But I will not submit it to the ODP. I have the one listed that I want listed. However, even though I know it is not going to happen. I would really like to be able to list both in their proper categories. Because to me even though it is the exact same product. It is as different as a store that sells hardware and a store that sells clothes. It is in fact a totally different market.

Spec this is an add-on. It would make a difference to the end-user as well, because groomers would not want to wade through all the bows for individuals and vice versa.

Ok now I just discovered another fact about Bows by Haley. She is in both:
http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Pets/Supplies/Apparel/Dogs/
and:
http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Pets/Supplies/Grooming/
The one in grooming is the one to remove.
I already stated that she was miscategorized in Grooming. Did not know at that time that she was also in Apparel where she belongs.

More Research.

I have done a little more researching. And have found many dog bow makers in the category below and they are all in the right category. (except for me which I expect to show up eventually in the grooming category since the helper said he moved me) I just hope he did not move these.

http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Pets/Supplies/Apparel/Dogs/
Always Fancy http://www.alwaysfancy.com/
Barking Beauties http://www.barkingbeauties.com/
Finishing Touch http://www.dog-bows.com/
Lainee Ltd https://www.laineeltd.com/
PerfectDogBows.com http://www.perfectdogbows.com/
Utopia's Bows http://www.utopiasbows.com/
All of these should remain where they are. They are appropiately categorized the way the directory stands at this time.

There is one listed here that caters to both individuals and groomers. However, it's primary is selling to individuals, I believe, and would also do better to stay in this category.
My Shelties http://www.myshelties.com

Actually, unless I missed one somewhere it appears that Bowtique Dog Bows and Fancy Pants Dog Bows(Me) are the only ones that were miscategorized, except of course the double listing for Bows by Haley.

I would ask for a consulting fee,
but I am sure that it would be the same wage as the editor's fee.

dogbows said:

Yep, it is all pet supplies.

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Hello. I have just discovered and read this thread, and would like to explain/assure/reassure/apologise ( pick whichever one makes you feeel better ) that the whole of Shopping/Pets ( and in particular Supplies ) has been the subject of long and very involved discussion for months now.

As has been noted above, such reorganisations take a very long time when volunteers are involved, but eventually there is a consensus and then things happen quite quickly. So please do not be distressed about where your site is at the moment, or where similar sites have been placed, or whether there is duplication or not. I do understand that it matters to you personally, but when there are very few active editors in an area that is undergoing major reorganisation, I'm sure you can see that there is a reluctance to spend time on something which will soon be changed.

Rightly or wrongly, basic housekeeping falls by the wayside when messy renovations are under way

Your site is now listed, and people will find it. I completely agree with you that the current "ontology" is less than satisfactory, but we are, I think and hope, close to sorting it out.

Actually, I am the one that thinks the current ontology is completely satisfactory. I am fighting the changes. And it doesn't bother me at all about the double listing. I just happened to notice, that's all. Or any other listing, but it does indeed bother me, when I picked the one category in all the directory, per instructions, that I belonged in, but then I was placed in another category that I do not belong in. It appears that out of all the dog bow makers that the ODP has listed, that only two were not in the one best suited category. Which was my site and one more. And as I have stated over and over again in this forum. The editors here do an absoulutely fantastic job. I was just trying to explain why I do not think that the proposed changes should be made. The editors just need to know how to separate the pet supplies from the grooming supplies. And I was trying to explain that, from someone who understands the difference. And yes I am listed and I am grateful. But the whole point I have been trying to make all along is in your last statement, "Your site is listed now, and people will find it". I do not want "people" to find it! I want dog groomers to find it! 1000 hits per day from people is worth less to me than 1 hit per month or even 1 hit per year from a dog groomer.

dogbows said:

I was just trying to explain why I do not think that the proposed changes should be made.

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Thank you for your suggestions
But I'm afraid you may have presumed too much from this discussion, as no-one has mentioned any proposed changes here. All such debates take place in the editor forums, and as several of us have pointed out, it is a lengthy process.

My remarks were very general, and were intended to reassure you rather than to increase your frustration. My apologies.

No apology is necessary, but:
I beg to differ! For those changes were proposed here. Several editors said that grooming supplies should all be moved to business because we are a business that sells to other businesses. But even though we do sell to other businesses, we do not wholesale because we sale to service businesses that do not retail products. They just use our products in their business as part of their service. So we are retailing to them and could retail to individuals but our bulk packaging for groomers makes it undesirable to individuals. And it was also proposed that there should be a Tree Category for Dog Bows all grouped together because all dog bow makers seem to cater to groomers, which is not true, and I was just pointing out, that in fact all dog bow makers do not cater to groomers. The ones that do should be in grooming/supplies just the way it stands in the directory now. And the ones that cater to individual pet owners should stay in pet/supplies/dogs/apparel just the way it stands now!

And I apologize if I infringed on discussions that are open to editors only, but my original question was simply to determine, if after being listed for only two days, was it too soon to request a category change?

A few editors have expressed their personal opinions on how they believe that this could be resolved. But these are not the only ones who will make the decision. Therefore please take anything written here as non-official.

Alucard, I do most definitely understand that this is all unofficial, but none the less, when it does come time for the editors to make any changes official, they should understand why all pet supplies should not be categorized together, and why all dog bows should not be categorized together. After all, it has been stated over and over in this forum, that one of the main objectives of the ODP is to benefit the end user. And these particular changes would not benefit the end user.

ok, I hear you - your input will no doubt be one of the factors taken into consideration by the editors that make the decision. I feel you have made your case very plainly, and I have no doubt that (if it hasn't been done already), a link to this very forum thread will be put in the Pets reorg discussion, because it IS such useful input.

Thanks.

Thank you, I am honored!!!! And I can assure you that my input has not been self serving, (except for my personal category change), but hopefully informative to help make any changes that might come about be changes that will be beneficial to both the lister and the end user equally. With that combination all are winners!! Including the ODP!!

Yes - the things I said about the dog bows category were simply my opinion. Any changes such as a dog bows category or anything like that are made by editor consensus in the internal forums.

Appeciation!

Yes, I understand, and I appreciate everyone's generousity and patience. I really do hope I did not come across as argumentative as many members do in this forum. And I am very grateful that my input will be considered, although not necessarily adherred to. Alucard, I especially thank you, for your comment. It really lifted my spirits to know that you felt my input was useful. I know that you all know very well what you are doing, and I believe whatever changes are made in the future, will be changes for the better.
Thank you all!!

Have to admit it has been enlightening and pleasant to read this thread. As one of the "minor" participants in the re-org of Shopping/Pets, we have to look at http://dmoz.org/Shopping/desc.html and http://dmoz.org/Business/desc.html and use that as one of our guidelines in helping to decide where a site may belong according to our taxonomy.

Basically sites selling only "Business to Business" usually are sent off to Business. Hopefully---but not always, there is a related category in each branch. If and when 'retail' sales, (meaning in quantities normal people would purchase) is added, then "Shopping" would be the proper branch.

There isn't too many things that can't be changed (with proper discussion of course, which can and has been started here). The final decision as to what categories are created and the type of sites that belong in each category has to be made internally. (With necessary input from all learned sources)

Dogbows, We thank you for your input. Stay tuned, when all is said and done, we've hope that we've done it correctly..

And thank you rr! My only real concern from the very beginning, was that the sub-category of grooming supplies would get lost in the shuffle. Whether it goes to Shopping or to Business, is not a concern to me at all, unless the grooming supplies category no longer exists, or if grooming supplies and pet supplies are merged. An @Link is an @Link! No matter where it ends. But, Pet Supplies are for Pets, and Grooming Supplies are for Groomers. That's it in a nut shell! And I am confident that the editors of ODP will most definitely do it correctly!

HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY! To all the Mothers. There is no greater calling or responsibility!

This is an add-on! I feel one more point needs to be established here, about the possibility of Dog Bows having their own category.

Concerning this category: http://www.dmoz.org/Shopping/Pets/Supplies/Apparel/Dogs/
If Bows has it's own cat here, then it should be named Accessories as I mentioned before.

However, concerning this category:
http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Pets/Supplies/Grooming/
If Bows has it's own cat here, then it should be named Finishing Products. Because they are not referred to as Accessories in the grooming industry only in individual pets.

It appears to me that there are enough listings in Grooming Supplies to have three categories.

First Category: Bathing Supplies, which would include all the Shampoos, Conditioners, Dryers, Tables, etc.

Second Category: Clipper Services, which would include all Clipper Sales and Sevices as well as Shear Delight which offers sales and service for Scissors.

Third Category: Finishing Products, which would include all Bows and Bandanas (but only Bows and Bandanas that are produced in bulk for groomers, and not the ones for individuals that are currently in Apparel). And the Soft Paws that is listed in the grooming supplies category would also belong in Finishing Products.

Unless I counted wrong, there would be a minimum of seven or eight, in each category.

dogbows said:

I have done a little more researching. And have found many dog bow makers in the category below and they are all in the right category. (except for me which I expect to show up eventually in the grooming category since the helper said he moved me) I just hope he did not move these.

http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Pets/Supplies/Apparel/Dogs/
Always Fancy http://www.alwaysfancy.com/
Barking Beauties http://www.barkingbeauties.com/
Finishing Touch http://www.dog-bows.com/
Lainee Ltd https://www.laineeltd.com/
PerfectDogBows.com http://www.perfectdogbows.com/
Utopia's Bows http://www.utopiasbows.com/
All of these should remain where they are. They are appropiately categorized the way the directory stands at this time.

There is one listed here that caters to both individuals and groomers. However, it's primary is selling to individuals, I believe, and would also do better to stay in this category.
My Shelties http://www.myshelties.com

Actually, unless I missed one somewhere it appears that Bowtique Dog Bows and Fancy Pants Dog Bows(Me) are the only ones that were miscategorized, except of course the double listing for Bows by Haley.

I would ask for a consulting fee,
but I am sure that it would be the same wage as the editor's fee.

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There is one listed here that caters to both individuals and groomers. However, it's primary is selling to individuals, I believe, and would also do better to stay in this category.
My Shelties http://www.myshelties.com

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I recently submitted my site to the same category that this site is listed in. I have a question about this site (quote above). I notice that this site has two other domains in her links pages for this domain. So in total her listing covers 3 domains that she has, because her links are not pages but new domains. Is this acceptable? Also as an example, I see that there is hidden text keywords at the bottom of most of her pages, and I would like to know if this is okay also. I did not see any rules on ODP for posting spam keywords on the pages.

I notice that this site has two other domains in her links pages for this domain.

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I don't understand what you mean by this.


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Hidden text is not considered, it's what an editor sees, not what is hidden. Hidden text is used to manipulate search engines and ODP is not a search engine.

3 domains to one ODP listing

http://www.myshelties.com/index/shelties.html
http://www.toy-poodles.us/
http://www.concretegardenart.com/

There are 3 domains/websites as links on her index page each to cover a new product. Is this allowed?:icon_ques

The first is not really an problem - it's listed in a totally separate category. One is breeding, one is dog accessories.

The second is not an issue since it's not listed in ODP.

The third is not an issue since the web site does not exist.

Clarification

Oh okay I see. I was more or less checking out some of the sites that were in the ODP listings to see what was considered a quality site listing and saw the keyword spam and the extra domains linked on that site. Truthfully I was surprised to see it, but I am interpreting your response to say that all is well with this. No response is required you have answered my question.