DMOZ is Dead...Long Live the Open Directory Movement!
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You haven't actually added anything here not already in your previous posts, so I don't know why you bothered to post it again.
We don't pretend to be useful to everyone. If you find dmoz useless, don't use it. We don't mind.
This may seem like a minor point, but it's a mistake that is at the root of much misunderstanding so I'll clear it up: People don't submit sites to dmoz, they submit suggestions. We are not a listing service and don't intend to become one.
We don't pretend to be useful to everyone. If you find dmoz useless, don't use it. We don't mind.
This may seem like a minor point, but it's a mistake that is at the root of much misunderstanding so I'll clear it up: People don't submit sites to dmoz, they submit suggestions. We are not a listing service and don't intend to become one.
Returning to reality on planet earth: the Open Directory itself is still perfectly useful -- surfers can still surf it, searchers can still search it, more technically-minded users can explore the Google directory tools. It's serving all the purposes it was intended to serve.
Granted, given it's continue usefulness, it's mildly frustrating for us who are willing to make it better, to have to wait. But there are other things to do -- even within the directory, the oven may not be hot yet but the ingredients can still be prepared.
Granted, given it's continue usefulness, it's mildly frustrating for us who are willing to make it better, to have to wait. But there are other things to do -- even within the directory, the oven may not be hot yet but the ingredients can still be prepared.
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There are a few mistakes in this posting
> just came here to try to resubmit my sites
1) You can't suggest any sites at all here (here = Resource Zone)
2) there is no need to resubmit at all, suggest a site ONCE
3) according to our guidelines you shouldn't suggest related sites, sites by the same owner are related, only if they are about completely different subjects (like one site for your company, a bicycle repair shop, and one site for your hobby, collecting stamps)
the main issue is, i need to submit to dmoz cause google is using them as a source, and my competitors are listed on Dmoz and are ahead of me substantially - even though my product is better! So if you guys are going to die, then die. But google is relying on these people for some reason to my detriment - My listing was #4 on search results from yahoo, MSN and ever since this dmoz thing started to factor I've been pushed to 20!!!!!!!
when are you going back up?
when are you going back up?
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I'm sorry you are frustrated, iiifly. If we knew when the servers would be back up, we'd let you know. The editors have nothing to do with the server hardware and we can't do anything to make the repairs go faster (if we could, we would, for it is even more frustrating for us!)
Thank you for being patient. While you are waiting on the servers to return, you might want to read the Resource-Zone FAQ which has some information about suggesting a site for review.
Thank you for being patient. While you are waiting on the servers to return, you might want to read the Resource-Zone FAQ which has some information about suggesting a site for review.
Another week or so and it'll be a month since the backend of DMOZ went down. The statement is that it's a technical problem, and the impression given is that it is with the server. But it doesn't take the best part of a month to fix a server, and there's a perfectly functioning one running the site right now. So a couple of possibilities come to mind:-
1. The database got trashed somehow and needs to be recreated again from scratch using the data in the downloadable files.
2. AOL pulled the plug, but they still own the programming, etc., and it's being written again from scratch, so that the editors can carry on with the directory.
The silence about the nature of the problem is becoming deafening. Is there any reason not to publish an overview of what the problem is? Has AOL pulled the plug, or not?
1. The database got trashed somehow and needs to be recreated again from scratch using the data in the downloadable files.
2. AOL pulled the plug, but they still own the programming, etc., and it's being written again from scratch, so that the editors can carry on with the directory.
The silence about the nature of the problem is becoming deafening. Is there any reason not to publish an overview of what the problem is? Has AOL pulled the plug, or not?
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> The database got trashed somehow and needs to be recreated again
Although DMOZ does not use a database a such this is as I understand it a good impression of what is happening.
> AOL pulled the plug,
Certainly not
> The silence about the nature of the problem is becoming deafening. Is there any reason not to publish an overview of what the problem is?
Is there any reason to publish such an overview? Would it be of any use for you to know exactly what is going in?
Although DMOZ does not use a database a such this is as I understand it a good impression of what is happening.
> AOL pulled the plug,
Certainly not
> The silence about the nature of the problem is becoming deafening. Is there any reason not to publish an overview of what the problem is?
Is there any reason to publish such an overview? Would it be of any use for you to know exactly what is going in?
AOL hasn't pulled the plug.
I'm sure someone will pass on a summary when we get it. I'm sure we'll get it eventually. I'm curious also -- albeit at a more technical level.
But I'm personally glad the people who are working on the problem have working on the problem as their highest priority, to the exclusion of time wasted on status reports that can have no possible practical use. And I'm sure I can speak for everyone that wishes the ODP well.
I'm sure someone will pass on a summary when we get it. I'm sure we'll get it eventually. I'm curious also -- albeit at a more technical level.
But I'm personally glad the people who are working on the problem have working on the problem as their highest priority, to the exclusion of time wasted on status reports that can have no possible practical use. And I'm sure I can speak for everyone that wishes the ODP well.
Thanks, Hutcheson. A small post like that can stop possible rumours in their tracks.
No, it wouldn't be of any use to me personally, but an awful lot of people are interested, so yes, I see a good reason to offer such an overview. As you know, there is plenty of ill will aimed at DMOZ, and being insular only adds to it. DMOZ isn't an island unto itself, y'know
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You know, there is a bit of delicious irony here.
People who suggest things to the ODP get frustrated because the editors won't give them a status check.
Editors are frustrated because the administrators won't give them a status check.
The adminstrators are frustrated because editors and users keep asking for status checks -- and the technicians aren't providing them.
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So for all of you who make suggestions and think the editor community is insensitive to your desire for information that you cannot possibly put to any real use, I can only say: we feel your pain.