My ODP listing disappeared....

arubin

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It appears that most of your listings were sold, making it unhelpful as an auction site. It looks the same to me, now, although I don't edit in that area.
 

glasshound

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Sold??? I have 57 items for sale...I just have a policy of keeping my sold items listed at the bottoms of my pages for reference...

Blair
 

glasshound

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I'm still confused...my site follows all the listing guidelines and doesn't break any stated "rules" yet it was (in my opinion) arbitrarily delisted...can an editor on a whim decide to delist a site? is this a democratic process?

I went through a lot of grief and time to get my site finally listed on DMOZ and it's frustating to have it yanked off without an explanation..an email would of been nice...

anybody out there have any comments?????

they would be appreciated!

Blair
 

leer

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It is standard forum policy not to discuss the specifics surrounding an editors decision other than to refer to the guidelines.

Every site that is listed within ODP is constantly subject to the real possibility of a fresh review which can quite easily result in a new decision bieng made concerning its value to the category, the directory and its users. Sites come and go all the time and what was valuable yesterday could lose value the following day.

I appreciate that you may be frustrated however the submission guidelines do make it very clear on submission that you
..acknowledge that Netscape and the ODP have unfettered editorial discretion to determine the structure and content of the
directory and that, because a site's placement in the directory is subject to change or deletion at any time, I may not rely on any aspect of a site's inclusion in the directory.
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glasshound

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Hmmmmm....sounds like a dictatorship to me...

"Gee...I don't like your site today so I think I'll delete it...I can do anything I want and I don't have to answer for it..."

real classy policy at DMOZ....you guys headquartered in Cuba?

Blair
 

pvgool

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We will list sites only based on our guidelines, which are available for everyone to read. And we will also remove sites based on the same guidelines. As the guidelines change and also because the sites are chainging themself it is always possible that a site which was listed once will be removed.
 

hutcheson

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The only difference you've mentioned between ODP policy and yours is that ... the ODP doesn't demand veto power over changes you make on your own site. If there's tyranny involved, it's not coming from the _ODP_.
 

glasshound

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What kills me is that you guys "listed" my site... nothing changes as far as the "content" of my site goes...now you decide to "delist" it....doesn't make sense to me...you guys should get your act together....

Blair
 

glasshound

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Here's a "hypothetical" situation for you guys that I'm sure NEVER happens...lets say I'm a volunteer ODP editor and I have a web site listed in the same category as this guy at www.glasshound.com...let's say he's a competitor of mine and I don't want him listed in MY category so I go ahead and delist the site...no questions asked...I don't have too answer too anybody so I never have to explain my actions...

Case CLOSED... great system eh?

Blair
 

nea

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glasshound said:
Here's a "hypothetical" situation for you guys that I'm sure NEVER happens...lets say I'm a volunteer ODP editor and I have a web site listed in the same category as this guy at www.glasshound.com...let's say he's a competitor of mine and I don't want him listed in MY category so I go ahead and delist the site...no questions asked...I don't have too answer too anybody so I never have to explain my actions...

Case CLOSED... great system eh?
No, that's a pretty poor system if you ask me. It is not the ODP system, though. Editors are not accountable to site submitters, but they are accountable to the directory. Deleting competitors' sites costitutes abuse, and is grounds for removal. You may find http://dmoz.org/guidelines/conflict.html interesting reading.

We are happy to explain the workings of the ODP, but when you insult us it does make it less interesting for us to do so.

If you feel your site has been wrongly removed, you are welcome to use the abuse report form at http://report-abuse.dmoz.org/ ; please remember that we don't discuss specific sites in this forum, however.
 

glasshound

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I've read ALL the guidelines but there's NOTHING stopping an editor from arbitrarily delisting a web site...there's no checks and balances to stop this from happening...and since editors do not have to answer for their actions this just exasberates the problem..

Yes..I will make a formal abuse report and hopefully somebody will eventually have to answer for their actions OR we're right back to where we started.. a "dictatorship"....

Blair
 

glasshound

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Thanx...It's nice to know that I'm not the only one questioning the way things work around here...

Blair
 

donaldb

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glasshound said:
I've read ALL the guidelines but there's NOTHING stopping an editor from arbitrarily delisting a web site...there's no checks and balances to stop this from happening...and since editors do not have to answer for their actions this just exasberates the problem..

Yes..I will make a formal abuse report and hopefully somebody will eventually have to answer for their actions OR we're right back to where we started.. a "dictatorship"....

Blair
There are tons of checks and balances, the abuse report being just one. Every editor is constantly being monitored by their peers, by the editors in the categories above and around the ones that they edit, by the Meta editors, and ultimately by the Admins and Staff. If an editor is doing something bad, they will be caught and booted.

But just because you think that a situation is abuse, it doesn't make it abuse. The Open Directory is not a "dictatorship" (that doesn't even make sense in this context), but it's certainly not a democracy either. And it's never claimed to be a "democracy". The ODP is a human built directory of web sites. We add the web sites that we want to add, and we ignore the ones that we don't want to add. No one has ever been promised that their web site will be added to the directory and that it will stay there until the end of time. The directory is not a listing service for web site owners. If more people would come to understand that fact, more people would not be so dissatisfied with the "service" that they are receiving :)
 

kokopeli

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I've read ALL the guidelines but there's NOTHING stopping an editor from arbitrarily delisting a web site...there's no checks and balances to stop this from happening...and since editors do not have to answer for their actions this just exasberates the problem..

Yes..I will make a formal abuse report and hopefully somebody will eventually have to answer for their actions OR we're right back to where we started.. a "dictatorship"....

I am the one who delisted it. I did so for what I feel is a valid reason. I have no vested interest in this area and in no way profited from the removal of your site. I relooked over the site and I still feel my original assessment is valid. Someone else may not agree. It appears you have filed an abuse report, if whomever processes the report disagrees and feels I made an error they will correct it. If not, no changes will be made. If it was a dictorship I would be the final piece of the puzzle. I am not.

Unfortunately not everyone can be happy about decisions made by others all of the time--in every avenue of life. Personally, I disagree with how the recent presidential election in the USA turned out. Lucky for the other camp only 49% of America agreed with me. :2cents:
 

kokopeli

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Same here, but I'm guessing it is for a different reason.
 
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