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htdawg

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The sites you mention from united hellas have been in odp for years and they link back to the index page by default if they are discontinued, others have moved up to having their own domain but have not benn updated in the directory. as for some of the descriptions of the sites listed they were done by odp editors, for example greek-hotels.com offers exactly what it states.I dont think it could be called "spammy" at all. I think you are being a little over zealous in your work. as for the company's area of work they are a web design & internet advertising agency.
Next time do a little more (correct) research when you try to discredit a company's reputation by labeling them spammers.
 
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glynos63

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Hi htdawg, firstly some quick notes:

The sites you mention from united hellas have been in odp for years and they link back to the index page by default if they are discontinued, others have moved up to having their own domain but have not benn updated in the directory.
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I thought so as well but this is NOT what I considered spam and you should already know that.

as for some of the descriptions of the sites listed they were done by odp editors, for example greek-hotels.com offers exactly what it states. I dont think it could be called "spammy" at all.
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Site: Greek-Hotels.com

Description: Greek hotels, hotels apartments studios in greece, hotels in greek islands
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You are an ODP editor and you din't find this description spammy? :eek: I have no further comment.

I think you are being a little over zealous in your work.
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Maybe I am. The reason is that I cannot compete fairly with companies like United Hellas that abuse ODP. So I will keep being zealous in my effort to inform ODP of spammers like United Hellas. :)

as for the company's area of work they are a web design & internet advertising agency.
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Do you know any web design company that does not offer internet advertising services as well? :eek:

If United Hellas' listing on the Advertising category is correct then all the web design agencies should be listed there as well.

Next time do a little more (correct) research when you try to discredit a company's reputation by labeling them spammers.
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Next time explain why you didn't comment on all my other arguements that made me label United Hellas as spammer. They were the most important spammy actions, not the ones you described!

It's very disappointing that an ODP editor does not consider spammy and doesn't even comment on the following listings:

The same company has developed Greek-Hotels.com at http://www.greek-hotels.com/

A simple search on ODP at http://search.dmoz.org/cgi-bin/sear...reek-hotels.com will give you easy-to-read results.

6 out of 8 listings are redirecting... and

Site: Greek-Hotels.com

Description: Greek hotels, hotels apartments studios in greece, hotels in greek islands

URL: http://www.greek-hotels.com/

Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Gre...Lodging_Guides/

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Site: Hellenic Nationwide Hotel Directory

Description: Information about hotels, studios, villas, bungalows, suites, apartments, pensions and lodging in Greece.

URL: http://www.greek-hotels.com/welcome.html

Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Gre...Lodging_Guides/

and the above 2 listings - are on the SAME category as you can read above! Please note the descriptions of both listings and wonder if they look spammy as well.

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The same company has developed All Hotels in Greece at http://www.all-hotels-in-greece.com/

This site has "only" 2 listings on ODP at http://search.dmoz.org/cgi-bin/sear...s-in-greece.com

The one is on the same category that the same company has 2 more listings (!) and the other is a deep link with no unique content, just simple hotel listings.

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The same company has developed 1hellas.com at http://www.1hellas.com/

This site has "only" one listing on ODP at http://search.dmoz.org/cgi-bin/sear...rch=1hellas.com

Site: 1Hellas.com

URL: http://www.1hellas.com/

Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Gre.../Travel_Guides/

This is on the same category that the same company has one more listing!
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Do you think that United Hellas didn't know ODP rules when submitted those listings?

FYI the following text is copied from their home page at http://www.united-online.net:

From this website you may find out about our services and how you can benefit from marketing your products through www.united-hellas.com, www.greek-hotels.com and www.all-hotels-in-greece.com.
These vortals (market specific web sites) are unique in their respective fields in that they offer ultra high visibility and placement in all major international search engines and indexing portals.
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Next time I suggest that you don't try to prove that the earth is not moving. Sometimes doing some self-criticism is really useful.

Sincerely
Dimitris

PS1- I noticed that you are an existing ODP editor so I conclude you have some kind of relationship with United Hellas. It's not bad as long as you believe in a fair ODP without spammers and act accordingly.

PS2- What did you do as an ODP editor to inform other editors that most of the 93 listings of United Hellas were redirecting to other pages and didn't contain any valid content? :confused:
 
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apartmentguy

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If I may interject! With do respect to you both, this doesn't seem to be the place to have a back and forth debate over the validity of a request rather the reporting of abuse and actions taken. Although I agree with much of what glynos63 is saying and agree that it is difficult to compete with companies with multiple OPD listings when you have one or none, I don't enjoy having to scan through all the conjecture to see if my request (#1401) has been delt with. IMHO, I think this debate would be better served if it is discussed elswhere or by PM.

...then again, I could be wrong ... I'll shut up now. :eek:

Thanks. :D
 
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apartmentguy is correct. This is a forum for members to communicate to senior editors concerningthe possibility of abuse. We do not take action based upon reports; we investigate reports and take actions (or don't take actions) based upon the result of our investigations.

This is clearly not the pace for two members to engage in back-and-forth discussions as to the validity of reports. I ask that both of you cease from that type of behavior.
 
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funtimes

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PCB Design - Dead Links

3 Bad ones at Science: Technology: Electronics: Design: PCB Design

1) Cedar Technologies Inc. - Dead Link
2) HighTech Design Center - There's no website here and hasn't been for awhile
3) Summit Technical Manufacturing, Inc. - Has been temporarily unavailable for quite some time now.
 
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shama

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In http://dmoz.org/Regional/Asia/Singapore/Business_and_Economy/Restaurants_and_Bars/Restaurants/, a few problems.

1. Cheng Heng Eating House - goes to Network Solutions.

2. Venus Banana Leaf Restaurant - also goes to NS.

3. Pizze Hut - lousy description.

4. The Rice Table Indonesian Restaurant - gone on vacation.

5. Sedap Sandwich - title should be "Sedap Sandwich Cafe"


In http://dmoz.org/Regional/Asia/Singa...Restaurants_and_Bars/Restaurants/Hawker_Fair/

1. Dragon City - title should be Dragon City Restaurant Group, and this doesn't look like Hawker Fair to me.


In http://dmoz.org/Regional/Asia/Singa...omy/Restaurants_and_Bars/Restaurants/Chinese/,

1. Dragon Phoenix Restaurant Pte Ltd - Network Solutions.

2. Kia Hiang Restaurant - under development.

3. Tung Lok Group - who says it's "superior"? - the website?


In http://dmoz.org/Regional/Asia/Singa...rants_and_Bars/Restaurants/Chinese/Cantonese/

1. The first and third listings are mirrors, and do they really offer "irresistible wedding banquet packages"? Who listed this stuff anyway?
 
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glynos63

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Title: Best Hotels in Greece Blog
URL: http://www.besthotelsgreece.blogspot.com/
Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Greece/Travel_and_Tourism/Lodging/Lodging_Guides/
Description: A personal blog to gather useful information regarding hotels in Greece; includes owner profile and user contributions.

This "blog" contains only 9 posts while 8 of them are for Crete. I didn't find any useful content and it surely isn't a lodging directory or guide for Greece. Can you find any real "owner profile", "user contributions" or "useful information" as its description says?
 
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glynos63

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Title: Kavi Club
URL: http://www.kavi.gr/
Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Gre...el_and_Tourism/Travel_Services/Travel_Agents/

----------- is of the same company with:

Title: Greekhotels. gr
URL: http://www.greekhotels.gr/
Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Greece/Travel_and_Tourism/Lodging/Lodging_Guides/

----------- is of the same company with:

Title: Greek Ferries
URL: http://www.greece-ferries.com/
Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Greece/Travel_and_Tourism/Travel_Services/

Owner of the sites is the travel agency http://www.kavi.gr/ that owns also the sites:
- http://www.eco.gr
- http://www.greekferries.gr/
 
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gimmster

Item 1428 done, thanks.

Hawker fair no longer exists - I couldn't identify it as a food type. (It was hanging on from 1999, before the Regional/Topical/Regional exclusion existed)

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shama

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Thanks gimmster, and while in the S'pore cat's, I'll mention just a few other issues you may want to deal with.

In the cat. http://dmoz.org/Regional/Asia/Singapore/Arts_and_Entertainment/Museums/,

What I'm finding here is that Asian Civilisations Museum and Singapore Art Museum (a bad link, btw) are really both subsites of the National Heritage Board (also listed). It's just that the first 2 are from museum.org, the root url of which goes to http://www.museum.org.sg/MCC and is a mirror of http://www.nhb.gov.sg/MCC where the listed NHB url ends up. I think it would make more sense to list only the NHB site, unless you really want to list the others and then make them deeplinks of the NHB site rather than deeplinks of museum.org. It appears to me they are gradually consolidating all of their museums under one umbrella site, and that would be the currently listed NHB site.


In http://dmoz.org/Regional/Asia/Singapore/Arts_and_Entertainment/Theatre/,

1. Native's Art Society - has a new url at http://nativesart.org/

2. Singapore Theatre - is not found.

3. Stage Pals - am getting no content here.


In http://dmoz.org/Regional/Asia/Singapore/Arts_and_Entertainment/Photography/,

1. Aerial Photographer - I think title should be "L'Image Cinematography".

2. Performing Arts Photography - title should be "The Pond Photography"?

3. Photographersg Network - should be "Photographers' Network" (spelling). Also the word "photography" appears 3 times in the description...
 
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glynos63

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Another spammer

Title: Hotels of Crete
URL: http://www.hotels-crete.com/
Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Greece/Regions/Crete/Travel_and_Tourism/Lodging/Lodging_Guides/

-------------- is of the same company with:

Title: West-Crete.com
URL: http://www.west-crete.com/
Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Greece/Regions/Crete/Guides_and_Directories/

-------------- is of the same company with:

Title: Naturism Greece
URL: http://www.naturism-greece.com/
Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Greece/Travel_and_Tourism/Travel_Guides/

-------------- is of the same company with:

Title: Sfakia-Crete
URL: http://www.sfakia-crete.com/sfakia-crete/sfakia-crete.html
Category: http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Greece/Prefectures/Chania/Sfakia/


FYI compare the text on the home page of http://www.naturism-greece.com/ and http://www.west-crete.com/naturism-nudism-crete.htm

If you check the content of these sites you may find more sites of this company or person.

You can find more listings of Sfakia-Crete.com at http://search.dmoz.org/cgi-bin/search?search=sfakia-crete.com

PS1- There are so many spammy listings out there :eek: :mad:
 
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